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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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tattiemum · 21/01/2011 23:19

It's just ridiculous that he's going to meet this woman and has refused permission for you to come along too - he is risking his marriage, and his friendship with this supposedly very close friend, and he doesn't seem to care, as long as he can still do what he wants with this woman. Why he's out with her tonight after you've raised your concerns is at the very least puzzling, if he really loves you and puts you first.

You should all be there on Sunday, and you should be absolutely insisting on this - he's got no right treating you like some child who he can tell what to do and what not to do. He's not treating you or his 'best friend' with an ounce of respect right now, all he seems to be putting first is his relationship with another woman.

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 23:19

Oh and that cover story - so carefully thought out, so pre-meditated - an innocent man would have been stunned and shocked and horrified and would have taken time to go through and talk to you about what he was doing. But he gets a load of printed out evidence, prepared earlier for just this eventuality.

msboogie · 21/01/2011 23:20

actually the stuff about "if you don't know what I am talking about" is even more telling that the "you're in my head" stuff.

he hasn't shagged her yet (not that it makes that much difference), she is still playing dumb and he is preparing to make his big declaration. Any woman who sends her weekend nights drinking, tossing her hair and giggling at his jokes knows EXACTLY what is going on.

This is exactly how I got together with my DP - we were both single I hasten to add, but the Friday night after work boozing didn't half oil the wheels of romance. It never would have happened in the cold light of day - for various reasons neither of us would have had the nerve to pursue it.

clam · 21/01/2011 23:21

Well, to be fair, she's probably in a form of shock. It's all very well for us to hold a mirror up to her situation and reflect back to her what we see, but it's her life and marriage and she has much to think about.

findingthepath · 21/01/2011 23:21

i think you should show him this thread then he might relise what he has done to you.

Alternativly we will be here if you need support when he goes off with R, or someone else.

I think you have lost confidence in your self and you are not respecting your self to let anyone treat you like he has.

I'm sorry that this is not what you want to hear.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 23:22

In hindsight I think you need to INSIST that the meeting on Sunday is at your house so you can be there too. After all, its only C who has the problem, you said that HE wouldnt go for it when it was suggested that you all got together.

Then the 2 of you sit on the sofa together, with her on a seperate chair, make sure you are holding hands, and ask her wtf she is playing at? Rattle her cage a bit. And dont let him go after her if she is upset - thats C's job

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 23:22

clam I agree. But it's useful to post so that she can read them back when she's more up to it.

dittany · 21/01/2011 23:23

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missmehalia · 21/01/2011 23:23

I think it's a bit of a red flag that he's keeping you at arms length from all these people. You've only got his word for all this. Sounds like he needs to grow up, he's got a family and yet is buggering off like some teenager to do who knows what. And very frequently. You sound more like his mum than his partner.

While you sit indoors babysitting and missing all the 'fun'.. Hmm That's no way to treat someone you love, even if there really is nothing going on. At the very least, where's your chance to have a social life?!

Sorry, OP, I think this one stinks.

Do you not have any mutual friends you could socialise with?

dittany · 21/01/2011 23:24

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findingthepath · 21/01/2011 23:24

I dont think she will be back but i bet her kids will end up calling R "Step mum" for a guy to put so much effert in chaseing this other woman its the only end result i can see.

It must be a horrible perstion for the OP to be in Sad

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 23:25

That's how I feel, dittany.

OP, you know this is only because people give a shit, right? Everyone is trying to give you support, albeit anonymous.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 23:26

Or he will come back early but be in a sulk because its OPs fault that she has stopped him enjoying himself tonight

KittyLit · 21/01/2011 23:26

Clam, that's all true, the OP is in an awful situation (I know, having lived through similar) and the truth hurts. It'll take time for the 'evidence' to sink in. When it does, we'll be here with tea and sympathy.

missmehalia · 21/01/2011 23:28

could be a long night

msboogie · 21/01/2011 23:29

I still don't understand why he needs to meet her on her own on Sunday. To discuss what exactly? With a view to what?

dittany · 21/01/2011 23:30

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KittyLit · 21/01/2011 23:31

I don't get it either Msboogie. He doesn't need to see R, does he? Except he does, but not for the reasons he's telling SJ.

findingthepath · 21/01/2011 23:35

Do you think he will tell R that its her he wants to be will and then next week they will tell there partners? Or do i have an overactive imagenation?

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 23:39

OP I am sorry all this is coming at you like a truck, it must be so painful. But we have no stake in whether you stay together or not, we simply can't stand by and watch you being treated so contempeously and say nothing.

A long night ladies, whose for some cheese on toast?

StuffingGoldBrass · 21/01/2011 23:40

Late into the thread but what seems to me to be the first priority if the OP wants to have a relationship worth saving is for her to get some social time rather than being the one who is always at home with DC while the H does what he likes. Even if the 'friendship' with R does turn out not to be an affair, it's still not on for the H to be out socialising all the time while the OP looks after the DC (and probably does all the domestic work as well).

GroovyGretel · 21/01/2011 23:42

Sj, I really do feel very sorry for you. You are having a crap time, and I do understand that having come on here for a bit of a chat it seems to have spiralled into 'leave him, he's a cock and he's fucking around'. [Not that I disagree, but still.}

It seems to me that these are the points you need to remember.

1. That it is not unusual for women to become sidetracked by their children. Nor is it wrong.

2. Your DH implies that it is. You have told us of no romantic gestures that he has made in order to redirect your feelings. Instead he has told you that you should be wondering what is wrong with you that makes him want to be elsewhere.

3. It is not normal for a married father to be out on the lash every weekend.

4 Your children are not so tiny that you couldn't go out together with a babysitter (or MIL) to look after the children .

5. The person he is out with until 2 or 3am is not male. Nor his best friend. But his best friend's girlfriend.

6. This is not normal married father behaviour

7. His relationship with her (whether platonic or not) has already caused comment and gossip.

8. He has not apologised for causing this. He has not offered to make things better by changing his behaviour.

9. He has been caught sending text messages at unusual times in language that is guarded.

10. Despite all of the above he has not stopped the weekend sessions.

11. You have only his word for it that any talking (with his friend or friend's girlfriend) will be happening this weekend.

12. He did not look after your children when you were in Dubai. Unless he is self employed I can see no reason why there would have been an assumption that he was available to work that weekend.

13. He still does not appear to have told you that you are a wonderful mother, a fantastic wife, a beautiful person. He has not tried (afaik) to cherish you. To put the emphasis on your relationship. To have treated you with any kindness.

I feel both Sad and [shocked] for you.

KittyLit · 21/01/2011 23:43

I've got coco pops thanks, PL

dittany · 21/01/2011 23:47

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lastresort · 21/01/2011 23:47

OP, I thought I was gullible, but you take the award I'm afraid.