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HUSBAND LEFT AFTER AN AFFAIR II - AM MOVING ON WITHOUT HIM

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solost · 19/12/2010 19:11

My husband left me in mid-August when I found out he was having an affair. My original thread (husband had an affair and I want him back) detailed the fact that I felt he had made a mistake and asked for advice on how to get him to see sense and come back to me and our 3 DCs. Four months on, he still hasn't returned and I am re-buildling my life without him. That thread is now full. This is the continuation. Thanks to all of you for your support.

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Cretaceous · 13/01/2011 10:03

Just wanted to add that I'm so angry that he tries to shift the blame on you. If you had gone on the business trip, don't think that you would have prevented what happened! Pah! It would have just added to his drama. He and BB would then have had heightened secret trysts during the trip. He would have been extra attentive to you, knowing that BB would have been eaten up with jealousy and more keen than ever to get him. In effect, it would have brought forward the way he later played on your emotions.

LittleMissHissyFit · 13/01/2011 10:05

Thing is Solo, in isolation Yeah it IS possible for a guy to say I wanted you to come on the trip with me, you wouldn't have been the first wife to accompany her H on a trip and won't be the last.

Wanting you to be there to fend her off. Hmm Is he a man or a mouse?

The colleague telling him to give her a wide berth if he valued his marriage. It stuck with him but he couldn't help himself?

I never have bought this 'Oh it just happened' bollocks. What?, you just tripped and with laser guided precision ended up with your d*ck in her? Ok then. Hmm

At every nano-second in the process an adult is capable of stopping themselves and saying, No, this is not right/fair/proper of me to do to my family.

He had red flags, and mortar bombs going off left right and centre, people telling him blatantly to his face, and he ignored it all.

HE chose to do this to his family. He could have pulled himself up at any time, but he actively CHOSE not to.

Add up the mental breakdown, the googling of it beforehand and all of this general fuckwittery, this guy saw an easy shag, went for it and is now justifying it as the love of his life so that he doesn't come across as the twat that he is.

One day Solo, you will actually be pleased this has happened. I promise. Better you find out now that the man you married is as weak as this, before you really need him and he lets you down.

He is beneath contempt.

KateonMN · 13/01/2011 10:09

SOLOST the more frequent sex - and I know because I am in the same situation happened to me as well is because they are horny all day being close to the OW.

It's awful but my ex's sex drive went through the roof - but he was emotionally and physically detached from me at home but wanted to have sex a couple of times every night and in the morning.

In fact, he insisted on it - and at this point (when he was denying about the OW)he said he was unhappy at home because I wasn't prepared to drop my knickers when ever he felt like it.

He wanted me to start having inpromtu sex with him while the girls (9 & 5) were in the next room - and then used my refusal against me as one of the reasons he didn't want to be with me.

Part of the script - give me unreasonable unattainable things to do - and when I refuse...Bingo! in his tiny mind he has another reason to be with OW.

LittleMissHissyFit · 13/01/2011 10:13

Solo? STOP!

Your dad dying is not a catalyst for your H taking up with some trollop that fancied a MM.

If that is the case then bloody hell, to protect all of our relationships, we need to invest seriously in cryogenics or something so our parents don't die, as it makes us emotionally unavailable so giving licence to our H to go shag some cheap drunk?

My dad said about he and my mum going through a hard time which preceded his affair.

True, my mum was distant, she was mighty miffed with dad. She'd worked in his business for YEARS. his business partner reminded him that they had said once that no family ought to be employed in the business. He came home that day and FIRED her.

Your Dad was taken ill suddenly and eventually died. What could you have done, pop in and see him once a week because your DH needed attention? Could he not have just flaming well understood that you were entitled to be worried, scared and grieving.

Add to this your DD broke her ankle and he felt neglected on some level.

Can someone please pop over to the Swearword Hierarchy thread and go find me a new word to use, cos the ones I know just don't cut it. Angry

bananahammoc · 13/01/2011 10:45

LMHF - Thank you for pointing me to this thread, I cannot tell you how many people this must be helping because describing Solost's H is carbon copy of all men, how many of us are saying...OMG thats my H.

Solost - you also made me cry. The fact you feel worse about H than your father is because your father didnt betray you, he didnt abandon you and I do worry that the grief you feel has not come to the surface, please let me know how you get on with the counsellor. I think its something we both need. Do not feel bad about not going on the trip with H. My H is in a band and I went to see him play and OW was there at the front taking photos. She even spoke to me and I had no idea what was going on. This still haunts me to this day, like they were both laughing and getting a kick out of my naivety. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we cannot blame ourselves for being loyal, trusting wives. I wish you lived by me Solost, I really do. I am totally where you are now although I have stopped wanting him back Im simply hurting and I pray he will regret this, which I hate myself for but will never understand what is more important than a loving wife and gorgeous DC's. We have to believe its their loss Solost, we will be stronger for this even if we dont feel like it at the moment. Im with you with every painful feeling you're going through. I know its cliche but he doesnt deserve you, simple as. Someone out there does! Sorry if Im pinching post, I dont mean to but just want you to know Im with you, feeling everything you are and all the gorgeous ladies on here are seeing not just you, but probably 100's of others who are all going through the same. Men are so simple, how can they all be carbon copies of each other? You love him Solost, you never imagined life without him but there is life without him, I promise we will both find it. xxxxx

thumbwitch · 13/01/2011 10:48

how about fuckshittywankbastardcuntingknobcheese?

TheCrackFox · 13/01/2011 10:52

So your DH decided to start shagging BB whilst you were deep in grief over the recent death of your father. Angry He really is a grade A shit.

StarExpat · 13/01/2011 10:55

and selfish.

Anniegetyourgun · 13/01/2011 11:29

But it was all right, because he made a very pretty speech at the funeral!

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/01/2011 12:58

It was a risk Solost writing all that down and I have fretted that it might have hurt you, but in my judgement you need to know just how much your H engineered this situation so that it looked like he wasn't responsible for it. But he was responsible for every last bit of it.

Thank you for adding some extra information as it does provide more insight.

The most important thing I need you to understand is that this affair started as soon as there was first contact with the OW.

I would find it interesting if you could recollect how things were between you from Summer-October 2009.

As soon as he became aware of this woman, whether that was as you believe at that first meeting, the die was cast. You will know that I always tell people that there is nothing we can do to prevent infidelity in another person, at any time, but once an affair opportunity has been identified and is wanted, the spouse's influence has never been less. It wouldn't have mattered what you did - or didn't do - nothing external would have deterred him from that path - apart from himself.

I held back a bit in my last post because I thought it might be too much, but when I referenced all the interactions, at the meetings and the undoubted E mails and texts in between, I want you to see that your H would have been "fishing" in the early ones and blatantly flirting in the later ones.

I want you to understand that none of this happened out of the blue.

Oh Solost have you read the chronology of an affair that I have posted on a few recent threads? In this I say that there are three distinct phases in affairs; the friendship/mirroring stage, the pre-affair permission-giving phase and the affair itself. It is a major part of the second phase that soon-to-be-unfaithful spouses start setting tests for the faithful spouse that they know she can't or won't achieve.

It is my view that the more emotionally retarded and irresponsible the adulterer, the more unachievable and manipulative those tests will be.

It therefore doesn't surprise me in the least that he asked you to accompany him on that second trip. He knew full well that you wouldn't and I bet he did precisely nothing to facilitate you being able to say yes. Had he really wanted you to go, then he would have arranged things so that there were no obstacles in your way to saying yes - arranged the childcare, bought you some new bikinis, booked a dinner in a restaurant there. He might have tried to persuade you that the children could cope with a 5-day absence, but if you were stuck firm on the duration being the barrier, he would have considered ways around it, like you both flying home a day earlier than the rest of the party.

He didn't want you to come, I assure you, but he needed to blame you for not coming. I feel very angry that he has continued playing this card long after the event and that this has been one of your "if onlys". Rest assured, it is an absolutely common manipulative trick in the script.

These are my thoughts on your Dad's death. It is often the case that a parental bereavement in the family triggers a realisation that a man is now grown up and expected to be a fully responsible adult. Because your H is at heart a sexist, paternalistic man, it would have occurred to him that you had lost your first patriarch. However, because he is also at heart a man who won't take responsibilty for his own actions and rebels like a child, he wanted to rally against the responsibility.

His thought processes and his bizarre views on women should make you very angry - they do me - because you might say that you didn't want him to become a replacement father and as an adult woman, you were responsible for yourself alone. But I think the only connection between your father's death and his affair was that he was bucking what was a ludicrously self-imposed responsibility.

A man who was essentially good and decent would have provided support long after the funeral (where he could act the part and bask in the glory of reading in the pulpit) but instead, your H decided to pile on even more agony by having an affair. That was a terrible wrong inflicted on you Solost and I am so sorry to learn that you coped with all that and then his betrayal and desertion.

Throughout this affair, your H manipulated everything. Every text he sent the OW would have had a question on the end of it, to invite a reply. Every E mail would have invited a more direct response. Every action in her presence would have been designed to get a reaction, without him ever having to "own" what he was after. He manipulated her at the same time as he was manipulating you. Every deceit was a manipulation, he even manipulated the discovery, FGS.

He has gone on manipulating you both ever since, never taking responsibility for his feelings for either of you. Please see now that he will have been painting you in a light to the OW, that you would not recognise. If she also knew how he was depicting her to you, she wouldn't recognise herself either. He is a horribly manipulative individual who puts himself first every time. His biggest flaws in my view are his manipulative character, his sexism and his complete failure to take personal responsibility for anything that happens in his life.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/01/2011 13:10

And obviously Solost he was lying about never reading anything into the 2 hour phone calls when in the car. He knew exactly what they meant, as did his passenger on that one occasion. He welcomed these phone calls, made them himself as well and both of them knew exactly what was behind them.

AnyFucker · 13/01/2011 13:16

< amen >

thumbwitch · 13/01/2011 13:17

I'll say. No one can have 2 hour conversations with "just a work colleague" without realising that there is more to it; especially when the subject matter was so highly personal.

LittleMissHissyFit · 13/01/2011 13:41

Damn! WWIFN really is AWESOME isn't she?

StarExpat · 13/01/2011 14:01

3 cheers for WWIFN Grin

romneymarsh · 13/01/2011 15:49

Banana - agree totally with your last post. We do deserve more than the lies and deceit and I really hope we all get to a better place in the not too distant future.

Solo - I have been keeping up with your thread, but not posting as I am taking in all the excellent advice and not really in a position to help as our stories are very similar. You are doing so well and I admire you totally. I agree with feeling bad that what we are going through is worse than the death of our parents, I lost my mum not long ago to cancer and watched her dying over 6 months, and I feel so bad that I am in despair at what DH has done to me, and finding this so much worse.

AnyFucker · 13/01/2011 16:11

RM, your mum couldn't help it

Your DH could Sad

KateonMN · 13/01/2011 17:14

My ex also saw himself as a 'hero' to the OW. Who is someone he saw in need of rescue.

He told me he had to support her after she split with her fiancee...and according to my ex "Her fiancee had treated her really badly"

Yes, he said that....to me!

romneymarsh · 13/01/2011 17:26

Kate - my DH told me he saved OW who had recently split from her fiancée, her choice. I asked him so who is going to save me? As usual he couldn't answer.

Is there really only one script that they follow?

KateonMN · 13/01/2011 17:36

romney not such heroes to their kids though?

StarExpat · 13/01/2011 19:03

Kate - I am Shock that he said that to you WTF?!?!

plupervert · 13/01/2011 19:28

And are they jealous of the men they think are going to rescue you?!

KateonMN · 13/01/2011 19:44

oh star this is the 'man' who said OW (who he known 6 months) was more important than our lovely girls (6 and 9)

That lovely comment is just one of many.

StarExpat · 13/01/2011 19:55

What is wrong with men? Do they all do this
seriously, I'm surprised there isn't a more scientific explanation of why men are such heartless bastards.

solost · 13/01/2011 22:01

KATEONMN: What is it with these men, that they feel they need to 'rescue' these women? Maybe because we are so capable, running the home, looking after their children.... Don't really know what I'm trying to say here.

ROMNEY: So glad you posted. I have been thinking about you? How are things going for you? So sorry to hear about your mum, it's so tough isn't it? I agree totally with you regarding this.

BANANAHAMMOCK: Feel free to hijack whenever you feel like it! We are in the same place 'emotionally' but do you know something, I think H is realising his mistake, I saw him this evening and he looked so old and tired. I know this situation has taken it's toll and I thought - good! He is seriously in denial though, he keeps going on about how it's going to be when the DC's stay with him and BB, even though the older two have categorically stated they dont want to know anything about BB.

It's what keeps him going I think.

He's having some kind of midlife crisis, trying to recapture his youth and do you know what? It's terribly sad (I mean that sarkily of course). The new haircut and clothes, oh dear!

I know we will get through though x

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