Ladies who don't mind their DP going to lap dancing clubs ....

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Do you mind them having a dance in a private room where even though touching is not allowed it is common for the girl to sit and dance cms away from their crotch/face?

I can't think of anything worse than a twenty year old bloke.....eeeewwwww.

soupy, the joke is on women, tbh

we are our own worst enemy

when you try to get some women to understand that though, no matter how gently you try to get them to see what is staring them in the face, no matter how coherent your arguments are they just don't want to see it

because that would be too scary

it would, in one fell swoop, take away all the safety of their upbringing that said men were self-aware and emotionally-intelligent enough to hold the title of the "stronger sex"

the fact that is complete bollocks seems to have passed a lot of women by....

I am keeping my comments as general as I can and not directly calling anyone stupid

however their posts are doing a very good job of that all by themselves

Cognitive dissonance is the default human setting, I reckon. Not a man/woman thing at all. It's just shaped by our environment.

I am pretty sure my DH finds young women attractive

there is nothing wrong with that

paying for access to their bodies though, is something he would draw the line at

larry do any of our posts get through to you at all, or do we treat all our menfolk like toddlers ? (yes, I am quoting you)

Sorry, that made no sense. I meant, feminists have talked at length about cognitive dissonance and sometimes I forget that it is a human condition. (Not a what about the menz).

wonder why on earth women don't have more power, politically and financially ... it's the double standard, innit.

Female sexuality is so "powerful" that men are happy to pay hundreds of pounds, on a regular basis, to see women getting naked and showing their bits. Taken straightforwardly, this should mean that men would also be prepared to hand over powerful jobs & financial investments for similar privileges. But, guess what, the very behaviour that has the "power" to spirit the cash out of the wallet is despised. The men pay when it suits them, but hate the women they pay - thus, it is exploitation.

If the arguments all held true, every 20-year-old girl would be able to secure her finances for life by flashing her fanny at a board meeting!

yes, a human condition and not just confined to this subject

a useful defence mechanism sometimes but not in this context, IMO

sorry, my last point was about cognitive dissonance

'soupy, the joke is on women, tbh

we are our own worst enemy

when you try to get some women to understand that though, no matter how gently you try to get them to see what is staring them in the face, no matter how coherent your arguments are they just don't want to see it
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Anyfucker you say this. Meaning that men are exploiting women but various posters on here have said that it exploits men. I personally dont think it exploits anyone its a service and the need will always be there.

'When I said "shocked" I meant "would judge me and think less of me".

Snowflake, I think you are being naive at best when you say you can't understand why anyone feels constrained by societal norms regarding sexuality. If you said that you didn't but could see that others did that would be more credible.'

I find in this day and age ONS are totally socially acceptable. Most people think nothing of going out pulling someone, shagging them and then not seeing them again. It is modern society and the vast majority of the population have done it. I dont see why you would feel ashamed personally. I see being ashamed of ONS something I think of when I think of the older generation such as the 70s, but dont see why anyone would today.

snow...the subject of this thread exploits everyone IMO

I wasn't talking about being ashamed, I was talking about being judged - not the same thing. Many, many people hold the view that women having one night stands and/or numerous sexual partners is bad.
Woman = slag, man = stud. Not my opinion but one which is widely held by people of all ages. My wee cousin and her friends certainly think it - they are 17 :(

@Snowflake-yes, he was an arsehole, a big psychopathic, personality disordered arsehole. He saw my point of view in the end but it took months of trying to talk to him about him about it. What bothers me is that these places are so normalised now that it doesn't occur to some people that they are actually doing anything wrong. My two brothers still wouldn't admit that they did anything wrong because their partners were (apparently) ok with them going that night. It does make me feel a bit ill to think of 6 men in their early 30s sat in a small room whilst a girl half their age danced completely naked for them for 20 minutes. Something about that situation is just so wrong.

By this point in the evening, my ex was apparently slumped against the wall asleep but he wouldn't ever tell me that, preferring to make me feel insecure instead. He did say, however, that he thought that any woman who dropped her knickers in that club was betraying all the hard work that feminists had done on the last few decades (his words, not mine).

And all this was to celebrate my brother's wedding to the love of his life!

Notjustapot-I posted on another thread about a friend of mine, a PhD graduate from Cambridge who once explained to me why he went. He said it wasn't a turn on but that IRL he never gets hot women approaching him in clubs and had managed to persuade his wife that it was all just a laugh. I had thought, up to this point, that he was a pretty intelligent guy but I lost a lot of respect for him then. The fact that he's paying them to approach him didn't seem to occur to him at all.

To the post about women not having porn etc, stop being so passive waiting for the unfair world to get round to doing something you think should be there - women are perfectly capable of making porn for women, and as for women being not entitled to demand sex, have you not read all the magazines aimed at us telling us how to get sex all the time, from how to dress, to how to flirt, to how to do it, to how to train a man to do it to you?? In fact I think men have it quite bad - women can, if they want to, do a bit of mild flirting say 'how about it' and get sex from quite a lot of men. Men on the other hand have to work pretty hard and even when there is real attraction, women often say no or work harder or do something else. I have some sympathy with them sometimes saying 'oh for god's sake, I can pay instead'. For the record i used to and many of my friends still do, see sex as something they are entitled to from their man. One even feeds him coffee and other stimulants so he doesn't fall asleep whilst licking her for.. wait for .. a HOUR.. after work. so there are lots of shades in this argument

And in my experience, women who are the nastiest about women being 'slags' for having even one sexual relationship are normally the ones who are getting the least - the fat ugly psychopaths you see at the dole office are always going on about the latest 'target' being 'such a slapper' - the last one that did saw me listening and then said 'I've got five kids you know... well three and two id you go by dads' and then guffawed out her fag smoke in my face. (btw benefit for that amount of kids works out at take home £1600 per month fact fans)

OMG that has to be an utter piss take or the whole stupidity of that post is astounding.

Yes lots of shades, you have proved woman can be sexually abusive in their relationships well done.

Wow you are angry Heroine. You are really awful about other women aren't you?

Again if ever a walking cliche was aroud, here she is. I am so cool, look at me. Nothing has warped my views of others as people.

But underneath a nasty piece of work that starts mouthing off about other women, calling them names using physical insults, with appearance being key.

It's sad times and again some posters are too stupid to see their posts just are proof of the pudding. Funny if it wasn't so sad.

oh god, here we go, what did I do, not agree with you??

No just poining out the vulgarity of your posts and the hilarious irony as it proves the point people from the other side of the debate are making.

What's even funnier or sadder depending on your take is you don't see it, nor do you see your opinions of other PEOPLE are vile.

What a very nasty and angry person you are. Continue showing yourself up, give someone enough rope and that.....

btw I don't get my views of people being warped by much (although I don't think you are referring to what I've said there), but I do think that some of the fat nasty resentful women I see bullying anyone who is pretty or attractive or intelligent or clever being the hardest to find any redeeming values in.

i really don't understand why you say i am angry... are you projecting?

hang on emmy...you're fat and on the dole aren't you.... sorry i didn't mean you pacifically...

No I'm not fat, probably better looking than you. No I am not on the dole, I CHOSE to give up my career to be a SAHM to a man who earns v good money too, he dosen't go to strip clubs, is not ugly and we are both approaching 30. We both keep fit, him especially for his job.

As I know the age, wealth and looks will come into it as it's all you can focus on to dispel any myths you have of me

You only have to read your posts back to see how utterly vulgar and angry you come across, especially when discussing other woman, it's so sad. But proves a good point.

emmy, I bet I am considerably better-looking than yowww

heroine, did you mean to sound so much like a misogynistic male ?