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Husband left after affair but want him back

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solost · 14/11/2010 21:57

Hi, am new to mumsnet have never done anything like this before so here goes. In mid August I found out my husband of 17 years has been having an affair for 5 months with a 'work colleague'. He left me and our 3DC's within a couple of days. Since then he has visited us often, is attentive and caring towards me, and when he is working away - which is quite often, calls or texts frequently to talk to the dcs but inevitably ends up speaking for hours to me. He maintains he loves me as much as he did before the affair, that I did nothing wrong, that he was not disastisfied with any aspect of our marriage - I was the perfect wife? But the feelings he has for the OW are 'deeper'. Is there any hope for us? I feel that he is living a fantasy and that one day he will realise this and what he has thrown away - am I deluding myself? Please help, I miss him so much, have been with him since I was 15 and really don't want to give up on everything we had.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 16/12/2010 10:25

Hello Solost. Happy to help if I can. Your H would no doubt have a major tantrum if he realised how predictably he is following a script, wouldn't he? We've all been more or less able to predict everything he's done.

He is not thinking of the DCs here; he is thinking of himself and the esteem in which he is held by them. Just like he wants to run away from his colleagues, he wants to run away from the contemptuous faces of his children. Remember, this man can't bear anyone to think him foolish or stupid...

Resist pressure from him most firmly and say if he doesn't tell them, you will. I should warn you, you might see some nasty and dirty tricks at that point, including financial threats, but ignore them. You've got that sols appt. and that knowledge will stand you in good stead.

Tell him that you are thinking only of the children. You have brought them up not to lie and deceive and yet you are doing this to them every time you tell them a lie about his whereabouts. You are not prepared to continue lying in the face of their increasing questions and distress. You have taken advice (don't have to say where from) and know that it is time to tell them the truth.

In terms of what they are told, I would make the distinction between the unconditional love we have for our children, with the conditional love we feel for our romantic partners. Don't tell lies. When communicating the message to them as a trio, the words need to be understood by the youngest, so the message needs to be that he met someone else earlier this year and left in August to live with her. Most of all, that this is the reason the marriage ended.

You might get accusations of lying to them all this time, especially from the oldest. Apologise sincerely but say that for a time, you hoped that Daddy's new relationship would fizzle out as you would have tried again, but it hasn't and you couldn't do that now. He will wince at that last bit, incidentally.

Say early on that she has no children, incidentally as this will relieve them of a worry that he is being Daddy to other children.

Welcome their questions and answer them truthfully. Yes, you feel angry and hurt. No, Daddy didn't set out to hurt them. Yes, at the moment Daddy prefers this woman to you. No, you don't know if she's a nice person as you haven't even met her. Yes, Daddy might change his mind about her, but that doesn't mean he can have you back because humans are not disposable.

I expect that once the story is out, he won't be able to get out of the door quick enough. There are some specific ways I can suggest dealing with the aftermath, but let's take this one step at a time.

horsesandchickens · 16/12/2010 10:25

Hey SoLost

I think the best approach is to get your husband onside to telling him. This means that there is less likely to be fallout and things gettting nasty.

I still do think that he will try to project the fact that his relationships with his kids will be altered for good onto you and OW.

As remember as well he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He has told OW is is you who will backtrack, probably not thinking for one minute that you would push the matter. So he is stuck unable to confide in anybody becuase of the lies he's told to OW etc. Ahhh what a wicked web we weave!

He will blame you/OW for forcing him into it, and the mess YOU/OW have caused. Not for one minute accepting it was his actions that are the casue for all this hurt.

I think you may have to be nice to him (boak) and tell him it is hard, and embarassing and shameful, and he should be ashamed of whats he done. But none of those are valid reasons to lie to the children.

Telling them won't damage them. What he has done has/will damage them. He can't reverse the clock now. The best that can be done is damage limitiation for choices HE made.

I think that should be your mantra to him. You chose to embark on a affair, You chose to leave your family. You chose not to try and reconcile.

He has monumentually f'd up. He needs to man up accept responsibilty and put his childrens needs first - not his.

He is being astonishingly selfish to not eant to look like the bad guy, when he has.

He can change jobs as many times as he likes, and make new friends who don't know the truth etc etc etc. But the kids are always going to be there, for the rest of his life - and he needs to get this right.

I would also second the fact that this wont delay him introducing him to OW. At the moment this is all about him, and that is all he is capable of thinking of at the moment.

ScaredOfCows · 16/12/2010 11:35

Another one here who thinks that only the truth is acceptable.

Lying by omission will create gaps in the story that the children will puzzle over and probably ask you about. Questions will lead to more lies and more confusion.

Far better to be honest, and bearing in mind that the children know that he has been living elsewhere for quite some weeks and have probably been wondering where Daddy lives anyway, the news that he has moved out won't be 'new news' to them anyway. Really, tomorrow nights talk with them is about filling in the gaps that they will already be aware of, not announcing Daddy's departure.

TheCrackFox · 16/12/2010 12:50

WWIFN has (as usual) given brilliant advice.

The children deserve the truth and I suspect that the oldest has probably worked it out for herself. It is evident that he has left home and your children need some answers as to how this has happened. If you lie to your children now you will be setting them up for a massive fall in a few years time. The truth always has a habit of escaping so it may as well be done now.

Good luck and don't let him bully you. x

Gonetosouthpole · 16/12/2010 15:06

Apologies is anyone has said this before, but it strikes me that once you have told your DCs, his new relationship becomes quite formal. Until now, he has had the luxury of deciding who knows when and what they know.

With that power taken away from him and the truth 'out there', there is no going back and pretending that it was a blip and no harm has been done. Nor that he can carry on two lives at the same time. He's also confirming that the BB is the one for him. Hmmm, thats a big step too.

His new relationship suddenly becomes his only relationship and he can't toy with the idea that he hasn't completely given up his family and all that it meant to him - that he can still have those special family times.

Telling your DCs is one of those moments when he will be faced with the knowledge that he, and he alone, has changed his life and that of his own children forever.

No wonder he is messing with you. Once the DCs know, he can no longer do that either.

Gonetosouthpole · 16/12/2010 15:06

Apologies is anyone has said this before, but it strikes me that once you have told your DCs, his new relationship becomes quite formal. Until now, he has had the luxury of deciding who knows when and what they know.

With that power taken away from him and the truth 'out there', there is no going back and pretending that it was a blip and no harm has been done. Nor that he can carry on two lives at the same time. He's also confirming that the BB is the one for him. Hmmm, thats a big step too.

His new relationship suddenly becomes his only relationship and he can't toy with the idea that he hasn't completely given up his family and all that it meant to him - that he can still have those special family times.

Telling your DCs is one of those moments when he will be faced with the knowledge that he, and he alone, has changed his life and that of his own children forever.

No wonder he is messing with you. Once the DCs know, he can no longer do that either.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2010 15:21

Let us not forget here that the exact same situation exists for solost

Telling your DCs is one of those moments when he will be faced with the knowledge that he, and he alone, has changed his life and that of his own children forever.

solost will feel the effects of that too, perhaps more profoundly than him, because he currently has his head stuck up his arse in a fog of stupid romantic idealism

he also has the OW to soothe his tortured brow

however

it doesn't change anything at all, the truth is best for the children, that appears to be unanimous....still very, very hard for solost though Xmas Sad

Xales · 16/12/2010 15:41

If Solost agrees not to tell the children now then it is going to confirm to his male ego (in his opinion) that she doesn't really want to tell as this means admitting their relationship is over and that both women are still in some way 'fighting' over him.

If she stays strong and goes through with it he is going to have to face that she is accepting their relationship is over and there is no going back. This means he has to face that only BB and her morals and standards wants him while the strong, honest loving wife he didn't want no longer wants him.

At least have some sympathy for his poor (sad little) male ego.

Poogles · 16/12/2010 16:03

Solo, you really must tell your children what is going on. They will have already worked out most of it, have discussed it at school with friends and come up with their own theories.

Telling them when they have finished school for the holidays is a great time because you can then spend quality time with them answering their questions etc. Your children deserve to be told the truth. Please don't put this off to keep him happy - remember if he had his way they would have met BB by now!

It may sound odd but Christmas for them will be much happier knowing the truth. They know all is not well and they will be walking on egg shells not wanting to make things worse. They will not be able to relax over Christmas, wondering if daddy is going to show, how long for etc.

Take control. Tell him when, where and what you are telling the children. I look forward to reading about your relief (and the children's) at the truth being out. Forget his and BB's feelings/motivations.

Good luck x

robberbutton · 16/12/2010 16:36

"To be honest, the simplest explanation IS "Daddy has found someone that he loves more than mummy and has gone to live with her but he still loves you DC just as much and always will".
Otherwise, why else has he gone away? Why isn't he staying? Any lie will be unconvincing, and will leave the DC worrying secretly that it IS their fault. TRUTH is the only way."

thumbplum I think that's really good.

sassy34264 · 16/12/2010 17:52

I don't think i would say 'that he loves more than mummy'. Maybe it's just semantics but I think it sounds peevish. I think I would say, 'he has met someone that he wants to be with instead of mummy, but he still wants to see you'. I know it may sound academic/not different, but saying it the other way sounds bad to me.

I'm not trying to diminish what he did, but i see it from a child's point of view (see previous post) and i think it would have devastated me to hear it put like that.

countingto10 · 16/12/2010 18:04

Hi Solost,

I was forced to tell my two oldest DSs what their DF was up to. When he left he did the classic "I need space" speech etc, told me he was staying with various mates until he found somewhere permanent, eventually telling me he was staying with an old school friend who lived with sister and her kids. DH took the kids round there one Saturday for a day out with their dad and his old school friend (god the lies I believed). This happened about 4/5 weeks after he left and I was starting to piece together certain information, behaviours etc and coming up with the right answer.

My DH had arranged for the DC to stay at his friend's house overnight the following weekend and one of the things that made me think was the bedroom situation where he was staying ie no of rooms to no of people in the house. Anyway I gently asked my 11 yr old DS about the no of bedrooms in the house and who went with them on their day out to the beach - DH and "Michelle" and her DC (no old school friend at all). I went cold, it was the final piece of the jigsaw I needed that confirmed that DH was in fact with an OW. Suffice it to sat that the preverbial hit the fan that night.

I had to gently explain to my 11 yr old that they wouldn't be staying overnight with daddy that weekend because daddy had a girlfriend and that is not allowed when you are married (which I think he already knew) and that mummy was very upset by everything. My DSs were all extremely distressed anyway by their DF upping and leaving without a backwards glance anyway.

Bless him, when I asked my son what the OW looked like he said "Not as pretty as you, with or without her glasses".

This was the catalyst that my DH needed, within a week we were both at Relate.

The last two years have not been easy but the first thing my DH had to do was apologise and explain himself to his two oldest DC and why he had treated everyone so badly.

The strange thing is that none of the DS have ever mentioned the OW or her house etc ever since that visit and the two oldest (who knew what really happened) have never mentioned the affair either.

Sorry for the ramble but you need to tell your DC the truth, especially the eldest. TBH your H sounds like mine, a completely self-centred, self-absorbed, self-entitled twat. My DH has had to make radical changes to his character/behaviour and that has taken a number of months (habits of a life time don't change overnight) and it was only when the affair was brought into "daylight" that he couldn't lie etc about things anymore. He had to face up to what he had done.

Good luck.

solost · 16/12/2010 22:36

Thank you all so much for your support - I REALLY REALLY appreciate it! Smile I have spoken to H, he said if I think the DC's are ready to be told everything then he will tell them. (This will be Saturday, not tommorrow btw).

I am feeling a little better but am very apprehensive about all this. Littlest DD cried herself to sleep again tonight. She kept muttering, 'I want mummy and daddy' and my heart broke for her. It is as if she senses somethings coming. God I really don't want to do this but, I have no option do I? Sad

Thanks again x

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2010 22:40

no, you don't have any option

your faithless husband removed that from you

LittleMissHoHoHoFit · 16/12/2010 22:43

It'll pass Solo, but not if the children are fed a half truth.

Once the situation is out in the open, they can ask questions. They know what is going on somehow, the tears tonight are a plea to be told.

It'll be OK Solo, once the truth is out there, you can all start to heal.

thumbplumpuddingwitch · 16/12/2010 23:13

So :( for your youngest, and all of you Solo - but agree with LMHF - once it's out in the open, the wounds can be start to heal (like squeezing a big spot - you have to get all the crap out or it never heals over properly, keeps scabbing but doesn't heal until it's all out)

Glad your H seems to have come around to telling them everything - make sure he doesn't bottle it at the time. Push him to tell them the true reason.

Can I just say - as much as you can, avoid using negatives when you tell the DC. Use positive affirmations all the time, for e.g. "daddy still loves you all just as much and always will". Putting any negatives in creates confusion, e.g." Daddy will never stop loving you - their brains will register "Daddy will stop loving you (never)" and it will confuse the message. This is Very Important.

Good luck - keep him up to scratch and remember that the DC will probably want to ask lots of difficult questions - be prepared and if they ask to meet the OW, you might have to bite the bullet on that one and agree, sadly. I don't think they will - but they might.

perfectstorm · 17/12/2010 07:50

I'm so sorry you are having to cope with all this. I've been lurking and not posting because you're getting such good advice, there seemed no point, but I just wanted to say that you are being so brave and you are doing all the right things. And I am so, so sorry that this is happening to you. It's terribly unfair and horribly wrong.

Your children are very unlucky in how their father is being, but they are tremendously lucky to have you.

StarExpat · 17/12/2010 08:46

He's telling them Saturday with you present, right?

Just making sure...
Please do not leave him to do it on his own, without you present. I would suggest you need to talk to them together. If you're already planning to do this, sorry for the strong words.

PercyPigPie · 17/12/2010 10:32

Sad no advice as I thankfully have no experience of this, but I have been following your brave journey and hope Saturday goes well.

dontdisstheteens · 17/12/2010 11:09

Solo. This is like peeling off a plaster, horrible to think about, hard to do, sore with a feeling of relief after. xxx

msboogie · 17/12/2010 11:35

make sure you are there when he tells them

solost · 17/12/2010 22:01

MSBOOGIE & STAREXPAT: I will be there. Thanks x

DONTDISS & MUDANDMAHEM: Thank you x

PERFECTSTORM: Thanks for your support x

TPPW: Littlest DD cried again tonight. Its becoming a nightly ritual. Am so sad for her and tommorrow she will be told that her daddy will never be sleeping here again. I know it has to be done but I HATE my children hurting so much and not being able to do anything to prevent it. Will take your advice re: using negatives. Thanks x

LMHHHF: She seems to sense something is changing - really hope she'll be ok. I know I have to do this but really, I am dreading it. Thanks for the hug - really need it atm x

WWIFN: Thanks so much for responding to my 'plea'. I really appreciate your advice. You were right about him being straight out the door, he said today he was going to tell them, answer any questions and then would leave and see them again on Xmas day!! So he's going to drop that on them and disappear for a week - doesn't really feel right but nothing does anymore.

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thumbplumpuddingwitch · 17/12/2010 22:08

Oh Solost - I know you are steadily coming to the realisation that the man is a full-on arsewipe, but still, every little demonstration of it hurts that bit more, doesn't it! What a git. I bet he doesn't hang around for many of the questions either if they get too tough for him.

re. your DC's sadness - I wish I had some magic remedy for this, but I don't. Would be different if prior to him fucking off things had been bad between you - but they weren't, so him NOT being there isn't an improvement on anything. They will be ok - honestly they will - when they've had a chance to come to terms with the reality of the situation.

Sending you lots and lots of supportive, strength-giving vibes for tomorrow - and if you have time, go and get some Rescue remedy, if you don't have any in the house - it will help you stay calm and "with it" throughout. 4 drops straight under the tongue will do the job. As often as you feel you need it.

((((hugs)))) to you all - and I hope that it goes better than you are fearing it will.

TheCrackFox · 17/12/2010 22:20

I know he is your husband but he is an absolute arse. I feel like kicking him in the nuts.

Was he always this self obsessed?

Good luck for tomorrow - thank goodness your children have a brilliant mum who can make up for the shortcomings of their father.

emmyloulou · 17/12/2010 22:29

Tbh, I'd be pulling the plug on Xmas. How very fucking dare he, drop it, leave you to deal with it and waltz back in christmas day!!

I'd tell him to get stuffed tbh. Chances are kids won't want to go anyway.

I'll catch up with this thread been Ill do apologies if way off. But id be making plans for yourself this Christmas solo.

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