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Infidelity and the responsibilties it brings...

156 replies

redundenator · 22/10/2010 02:13

This is my first NM posting - and first of all let me say that I am male and in this I am attempting to explain the thought process a man has when considering infidelity. I am trying to bring something to the party from the other side of the fence and explain why people cheat (and how...).

First of all let me say that the majority of relationships I've had (both in and out of wedlock) have been with other people?s wives. I enjoy the excitement it brings now and enjoyed the freedom it conferred when I was single (not in terms of commitment but in that it allowed a passionate and exciting "fling" without any of the ties that come with a relationship).

As someone else?s partner, when embarking on "extra-curricular" activities it should be emphasised from the outset that one has an over-riding responsibility NO TO GET CAUGHT. Reading some of the heartbreaking experiences other posters are going through no one would wish to inflict that an ones partner.

So, cutting to the chase, why cheat at all? DW and I have a good physical relationship however, in my experience, sexuality is as diverse and varied as the clouds in the sky and we all have fantasies and desires we would be ashamed to admit (even sometimes to ourselves!). The likelihood of finding a partner who matches you perfectly in the regard is remote, however the majority (and I do think it is the majority) of people manage very well without feeling the need to indulge their primal urges outside their own marriage.

Some of us are not satisfied within the bounds of that relationship - at this point choices exist. End your relationship (could be a baby/bathwater scenario there!), sit on your desires (noble, restrained, admirable), have an ?affair? of some description (dangerous and fraught with hazards).

I would postulate that ?diversions? fall into two broad types. A. Partner feels neglected / unloved / unattractive / taken for granted and seeks affirmation in the arms of another. B. Partner wants a type of sexual interaction their husband / wife is uncomfortable / unwilling to consider.

Type A: You have issues within the relationship - don?t have an affair - either sort out the relationship or move on - one life at the end of the day.

Type B: The relationship may be 95% good - either sit on it or carefully seek an outlet elsewhere.

And it is in Type B that the rub, dear readers, falls. So let?s say - and remember that in this instance my experience is with other peoples wives - you decide to seek an outlet.

  1. You need someone who will be utterly discrete. Only sensible option, imho, is someone else?s partner, someone who has no intention of disrupting their marriage but seeks a little diversion. They have as much to lose as you do and will understand the need for a communications ?curfew? when partners are around.
  1. Have an e-mail account solely for cheating. Protect this scrupulously and delete as much as possible.
  1. A pay as you go phone is a must. This should be the ?work phone? you leave switched off and locked in your briefcase when at home.
  1. Always always always pay cash when conducting your ?business? elsewhere.
  1. Never be tempted to take risks with communications when your partner is around.
  1. This is the really key one - define the limits of the relationship from the outset. My current diversion and I do not kiss - this is an intimacy reserved for our partners. We have fantastic relations on an infrequent basis and always fuelled by intense cyber fore-play which leads to explosive meetings.

Why am I taking the time to write all this - well, I want to reassure some of you that seeking outlets elsewhere need not end in disaster if you are careful. Secondly remember that you have a responsibility not to mess it up if you do - risks are exciting but you must be careful at all times.

It is a universal truth that what you don?t know doesn?t hurt you. You will be surprised how many of you, while seething with outrage at my cynical perfidious dalliances, will be in exactly this position as your partners slake their thirsts elsewhere (look how many ?I can?t believe its me post there are.....). What you haven?t found out hasn?t hurt you - and provided your DH/DW acts responsibly it never will.

I would welcome your thoughts and observations (but let?s try and keep it reasoned and rational!). Happy to discuss further in private......

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Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 03:51

Oh dear. While I can completely sympathise with the desire for sex or intimacy or whatever with more than one person, can you not see that it is wrong to deceive?

If you want an open marriage then ask for one, but don't grab one yourself when your wife thinks you're faithful to her.

It's cruel, even if it's not known to her.

Some people are up for open marriages or elationships but FGS they at least deserve the right to choose. Lying to someone you profess to love is an act of deep disrespect.

TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 04:03

Gosh, you're a patronising bastard, aren't you? I particularly like your exhortation "to try and keep it reasoned and rational". You'll be the one judging whether we're rational, I presume, using the Almighty Powers Of Cock?

(Incidentally, it's "discreet", unless you're advising us to avoid conjoined twins.)

(It's also MN. But I invite you to go to NetMums and share your wisdom with them. No, really.)

We know why people cheat. There are threads and threads from women contemplating or having an affair already. There are threads from women whose partners have had an affair, have gone into therapy to work out their own issues, and who have honestly shared that. You're not here to explain why people cheat, you're here to offer a manual for cheaters. And to boast. Although what there could be to boast about in a situation where you don't kiss your 'diversion', whom you don't even regard as a person in her own right ('other people's wives', really? You couldn't say 'married woman'?), eludes me.

It's a peculiarly male trait, this belief that women don't already understand male behaviour and need lectures on the most obvious points (some people cheat because they want to 'satisfy their primal urges outside the relationship', do they? Stop the fucking presses).

TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 04:06

Oh, and "happy to discuss further in private" is possibly the least subtle pick-up attempt I've read in quite a while, and nicely reveals your actual motive in posting this apologia for infidelity.

None of us are going to fuck you.

redundenator · 22/10/2010 04:08

Thank you FA, your last point is impossible to defend against and well said!

In my mind, and I suspect this is less common in women than in men, the link between sex and love is not well established. I make love to my wife - I have sex with others.....I am not playing with semantics here, there is an emotional difference. Does that change anything?

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TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 04:22

Nope. Still not going to fuck you.

And the love/sex men/women thing is a sexist myth.

nomedoit · 22/10/2010 04:58

"out of wedlock"
"slake their thirsts"
"perfidious dalliances"

We can only hope that your sexual technique is better than your use of the English language. All those parentheses and exclamation marks...

Lest it be thought I am a sad loser (perchance I am!) who wishes to inflate his ego (the male ego not to be confused with the lesser ego of the weaker sex) by the use of convoluted sentences and pompous statements (of the fucking bloody obvious)

redundenator · 22/10/2010 05:42

Scathing (but fair). Embarrassed by the discrete/discreet error....
(Tortures - I'm not trying to "pick you up" and didn't offer an invitation).

Now - can we get past grammar / writing style and approach the subject in less aggressive tone?

Frrrrightattendant - thank you for your input, which was thought provoking and constructive.

Women are not the only people allowed to explore issues - or am I bound by the "almighty powers of cock" to stick to grunting at women and lifting heavy things?

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nooka · 22/10/2010 06:07

Why would you expect responses to your post to be reasoned or rational? Relationships are not reasoned and rational, whether they are lust led (as in your "dalliances") or apparently love led (as in your supposed love for the wife you are happy to deceive).

Actively targeting married women is fairly despicable really, as if (and when) something goes wrong you will have contributed to not just your wife's misery, but someone else out there too, and if there are children involved then possibly several children too. Oh and usually your own family and the other persons family too, as it's fairly rare for them not to get caught up.

My basic instructions for someone who feels the need to spread their seeds/loins whilst in a relationship is in general not to do so. Sort things out so you are either happy enough you don't feel the urge or change things so that you can play as much as you like without screwing up other people's lives as you do.

The "if they don't find out I'm not hurting them, is an utter myth and ego sop. If you steal something and are not caught then you are still a thief.

TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 06:19

Oh, dear, my tone is aggressive. That's a shame.

What's to explore? You fuck around because you want to fuck around, you think so little of the women you're fucking that you don't kiss them and you see them as "other people's wives" not people in their own right, and you think your wife is too stupid to find out.

It's hardly groundbreaking stuff, is it? Conjoined twins would at least have had some originality.

BelleDameAvecBroomstick · 22/10/2010 07:02

Hmmmm... Suspect this will generate quite a lot of comment and not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve. Hopefully either Dittany or SGB will be along shortly to debunk your generalisations about women and sex. It's too early for me.

TheProfiteroleThief · 22/10/2010 07:11

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ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 07:14

Never mind all that, I just want to fuck him

Even at this time of the morning, my "primal desires" and wish to "slake my thirst" have overtaken me

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 07:16

Have you been lurking for a while? It's odd that you called me 'FA' because I used to have the capital A but I don't at the moment.

It's usually only familiar people that use FA.

TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 07:16

BelleDame! What am I, invisible?

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 07:16

LOL, SF Grin

ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 07:16

Ladies, don't get too worked up about this post.

We are being trolled from a motoring site where they have blatantly plotted to come over here and wind us up.

This is just another one of those and we should give it the Biscuit it deserves

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 07:18

actually a little worried about Dittany seeing this. We could have a real-time castration on our hands...

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 07:19

Motoring site? Can you give us a clue?

Good, I can talk valves with him at least.

ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 07:23

Nah, Frrrright, I scrubbed the name of it from my memory banks immediately

There was an outing on another thread a few days ago where posts over there were copied here

Even if it isn't one of those TopGearTwats, it is designed to inflame

BelleDameAvecBroomstick · 22/10/2010 07:41

Torty [blush) sorry... I was distracted by Peppa Pig. It's a cultural oasis in this house at 7am.

Now, if we're going to talk about cars, that might elicit some more coherent responses. Although I can't guarantee it.

BelleDameAvecBroomstick · 22/10/2010 07:42

Not that it's exactly a choice I will be making right now but which would you choose - Merc SL or Jag XKR?

ScaredOfCows · 22/10/2010 07:46

You're a bit of a cunt really, truth be told...

Could be more polite about it, but why should I? You don't really deserve it.

ScaredOfCows · 22/10/2010 07:48

Hmm, probably should have refreshed the page before commenting.

scallopsrgreat · 22/10/2010 07:52

I think you summed it up nicely, however, SOC!

singledomisgood · 22/10/2010 07:52

OOOh! Im excited by this thread! do you think its Jeremy Clarkson? Same sort of tone.
I want to fuck you nooow!!

Oh sorry, forgot as a female I dont have primal desires.. Can I have your babies instead?

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