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Infidelity and the responsibilties it brings...

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redundenator · 22/10/2010 02:13

This is my first NM posting - and first of all let me say that I am male and in this I am attempting to explain the thought process a man has when considering infidelity. I am trying to bring something to the party from the other side of the fence and explain why people cheat (and how...).

First of all let me say that the majority of relationships I've had (both in and out of wedlock) have been with other people?s wives. I enjoy the excitement it brings now and enjoyed the freedom it conferred when I was single (not in terms of commitment but in that it allowed a passionate and exciting "fling" without any of the ties that come with a relationship).

As someone else?s partner, when embarking on "extra-curricular" activities it should be emphasised from the outset that one has an over-riding responsibility NO TO GET CAUGHT. Reading some of the heartbreaking experiences other posters are going through no one would wish to inflict that an ones partner.

So, cutting to the chase, why cheat at all? DW and I have a good physical relationship however, in my experience, sexuality is as diverse and varied as the clouds in the sky and we all have fantasies and desires we would be ashamed to admit (even sometimes to ourselves!). The likelihood of finding a partner who matches you perfectly in the regard is remote, however the majority (and I do think it is the majority) of people manage very well without feeling the need to indulge their primal urges outside their own marriage.

Some of us are not satisfied within the bounds of that relationship - at this point choices exist. End your relationship (could be a baby/bathwater scenario there!), sit on your desires (noble, restrained, admirable), have an ?affair? of some description (dangerous and fraught with hazards).

I would postulate that ?diversions? fall into two broad types. A. Partner feels neglected / unloved / unattractive / taken for granted and seeks affirmation in the arms of another. B. Partner wants a type of sexual interaction their husband / wife is uncomfortable / unwilling to consider.

Type A: You have issues within the relationship - don?t have an affair - either sort out the relationship or move on - one life at the end of the day.

Type B: The relationship may be 95% good - either sit on it or carefully seek an outlet elsewhere.

And it is in Type B that the rub, dear readers, falls. So let?s say - and remember that in this instance my experience is with other peoples wives - you decide to seek an outlet.

  1. You need someone who will be utterly discrete. Only sensible option, imho, is someone else?s partner, someone who has no intention of disrupting their marriage but seeks a little diversion. They have as much to lose as you do and will understand the need for a communications ?curfew? when partners are around.
  1. Have an e-mail account solely for cheating. Protect this scrupulously and delete as much as possible.
  1. A pay as you go phone is a must. This should be the ?work phone? you leave switched off and locked in your briefcase when at home.
  1. Always always always pay cash when conducting your ?business? elsewhere.
  1. Never be tempted to take risks with communications when your partner is around.
  1. This is the really key one - define the limits of the relationship from the outset. My current diversion and I do not kiss - this is an intimacy reserved for our partners. We have fantastic relations on an infrequent basis and always fuelled by intense cyber fore-play which leads to explosive meetings.

Why am I taking the time to write all this - well, I want to reassure some of you that seeking outlets elsewhere need not end in disaster if you are careful. Secondly remember that you have a responsibility not to mess it up if you do - risks are exciting but you must be careful at all times.

It is a universal truth that what you don?t know doesn?t hurt you. You will be surprised how many of you, while seething with outrage at my cynical perfidious dalliances, will be in exactly this position as your partners slake their thirsts elsewhere (look how many ?I can?t believe its me post there are.....). What you haven?t found out hasn?t hurt you - and provided your DH/DW acts responsibly it never will.

I would welcome your thoughts and observations (but let?s try and keep it reasoned and rational!). Happy to discuss further in private......

OP posts:
PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker · 22/10/2010 17:29

Gosh how boring OP. Perhaps it's not your wife's fault that she doesn't find you exciting enough to fuck, perhaps it's yours. Perhaps you're shit in bed and she'd rather have a crafty wank when you're out.

HappyWoman · 22/10/2010 17:31

pathetic - so you are willing to lower your morals (well i hope you are otherwise you would be happy to be open about your life) and risk your marriage for the 'excitement' extra marital sex brings.

Can you not see just how shallow this makes you appear.

How sad that the only people who will want to be with you during your life will have lived a lie with you - because i am sure that if you really made your feelings that clear you would not have a loving life partner.

Isnt there more to a marriage a partnership than just pandering to your needs.

How sad to not be accepted for who you really are?

Well maybe there is something in the boarding school therory after all - have you never really felt that deep love that allows you to really be yourself?

I was laughing at this earlier now i feel so very sad for you - you must be very lonely.

ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 17:32

please stop engaging with it

HappyWoman · 22/10/2010 17:36

you do sound like hard work op
my h had an affair and for a long time i thought it must have been my fault for not being exciting enough for him. I have since learnt that actually for these men whatever they have will never be enough.
There is somethiing always 'missing'.

I also wonder if you try to compensate with material things too?
Do you feel you have achieved because you have a good job and a nice car and a nice house - well behaved children and a nice wife. All show.

Like i said before i know men like you - my h was just like that - thankfully i think he has seen what a shallow life he really had. He now does everything he can to make up for his lacking .

ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 17:39

HW...you are surprising me with your willingness to engage with this twat

why are you bothering ?

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 17:54

Wow...I'm really quite astounded at the lack of innate sense he's displaying. Of course when you have children (yes, YOU, not just your wife) something has to give, and often it is the intimacy you previously shared. You can get it back once the children are a bit older, mind you it doesn't sound like you really wanted them in the first place because you've made absolutely no allowance for the fact they would affect the dynamic between you and your wife.

This is a fact of life. I'm sure she'd rather be shagging than wiping up poo, but someone has to do it (and I expect she does it at your place, right?)

You seem to expect her to maintain a level of effort and devotion to yourself which is just not possible once you have kids.

It's unrealistic and deeply immature and ignorant to think that way.

The boarding school thing is interesting. I have known a few men who went to boarding school and thus had a mixed up attachment style. They have always been angry with their folks for sending them away, which translated into an emotional rebellion which is then carried into any marriage they attempt.

They cannot be with just one woman - Happywoman, you're right. What and whomever they have, it will never be enough because they have a requirement to be unfaithful, or uncommitted, or if committed, they need to rebel.

Thus the serial affairs. It's not just a boarding school thing but tbh I'd be surprised if it wasn't closely connected in a lot of instances. The two women represent home and school.

PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker · 22/10/2010 17:58

This has got to be a wind up.....

redundenator · 22/10/2010 18:03

The simple fact is that cheating is just too easy - DW (anyones DW) will believe what she wants to believe beacause people always do.

She is uncomfortable with more exciting sex so I'm actually doing us both a favour by "out sourcing" something she doesn't really enjoy.

I'm really struggling to understand the strength of your response to this.

OP posts:
redundenator · 22/10/2010 18:06

As for the ardently expressed desire some of you have that she too is having flings while away,

I agree - I would feel a lot happier if she was on two counts,

  1. Less guilt.
  1. I've always wanted to see her with another man (she did not feel the same way when I sounded her out a long time ago).

(I have always wanted to go down on her afterwards!).

OP posts:
ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 18:18

hilarious

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 18:25

Now I just feel sick.

Can you please stop oversharing? We don't want to know all this CRAP

PeppermintPasty · 22/10/2010 18:26

FA and HW, are you doing your own sort of wind-up thing? He or whatever it is is so patently making this all up. they seem to be all over the place lately. clever

perfumedlife · 22/10/2010 18:27

op havn't you got a mistress to shag? What's keeping you online of a Friday evening? Shouldn't you be in a wine bar eyeing up the ladies of a certain age? Grin

PeppermintPasty · 22/10/2010 18:28

laydeez Grin

PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker · 22/10/2010 18:34

Passes scaryFucker a gimp mask to assist in shutting up the OP.

perfumedlife · 22/10/2010 18:37

Grin Yes, sorry, the ladeez, you know, the fifty year olds laughing like hyenas at the beer breath piss poor jokes of middle managers in cheap suits. God I wish I was single!

HappyWoman · 22/10/2010 19:03

sorry - yes i did get a bit bored today
call it my therapy shall we?

I have tried to work out why my h did what he did - still not much wiser to be honest. He did because he could.

The one good thing that came out if for me is i now know i would never put up with such utter crap again.

HappyWoman · 22/10/2010 19:08

I also do hope the op children are not girls - I wonder how he will feel when they get the same treatment from their husbands???

After all it appears he thinks all men have this right.

perfumedlife · 22/10/2010 19:23

Excellent point HappyWoman.Grin What goes around, comes around.

MalificenceBloodandSand · 22/10/2010 19:50

Awww, sad, inadequate little fucker has a hotwife fantasy going on, bless. Hmm

dontdisstheteens · 22/10/2010 19:52

Yuck

I have a vile taste in my mouth after looking at this. Another glass of wine should do the trick. HappyWoman I raise my glass to you x

ScaryFucker · 22/10/2010 19:54

he has a cuckold fantasy

it's very sad

Mumi · 22/10/2010 19:56

You're not going to get get any credit for only kissing your wife if you can't even bring yourself to reserve the intimacy of the exclusive and honest relationship your wife presumably thought she was in.

Hopefully when she does sleep with another man, you won't get to see it anyway because she's kicked your sorry arse to the kerb.

What you don?t know does hurt you. While cheating you are treating your wife differently whether you are conscious of it or not, or indeed whether you hold her feelings in any regard at all or not.

A lot of women who become so wrapped up in their children have to because their husbands don't. No-one's cock takes priority over their children.

MalificenceBloodandSand · 22/10/2010 19:57

How pathetically inadequate does a man have to be to enjoy the humiliation of seeing his wife get fucked by another man?

Answer - Very.

PeppermintPasty · 22/10/2010 19:58

how do we get rid of these dickwads?

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