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Infidelity and the responsibilties it brings...

156 replies

redundenator · 22/10/2010 02:13

This is my first NM posting - and first of all let me say that I am male and in this I am attempting to explain the thought process a man has when considering infidelity. I am trying to bring something to the party from the other side of the fence and explain why people cheat (and how...).

First of all let me say that the majority of relationships I've had (both in and out of wedlock) have been with other people?s wives. I enjoy the excitement it brings now and enjoyed the freedom it conferred when I was single (not in terms of commitment but in that it allowed a passionate and exciting "fling" without any of the ties that come with a relationship).

As someone else?s partner, when embarking on "extra-curricular" activities it should be emphasised from the outset that one has an over-riding responsibility NO TO GET CAUGHT. Reading some of the heartbreaking experiences other posters are going through no one would wish to inflict that an ones partner.

So, cutting to the chase, why cheat at all? DW and I have a good physical relationship however, in my experience, sexuality is as diverse and varied as the clouds in the sky and we all have fantasies and desires we would be ashamed to admit (even sometimes to ourselves!). The likelihood of finding a partner who matches you perfectly in the regard is remote, however the majority (and I do think it is the majority) of people manage very well without feeling the need to indulge their primal urges outside their own marriage.

Some of us are not satisfied within the bounds of that relationship - at this point choices exist. End your relationship (could be a baby/bathwater scenario there!), sit on your desires (noble, restrained, admirable), have an ?affair? of some description (dangerous and fraught with hazards).

I would postulate that ?diversions? fall into two broad types. A. Partner feels neglected / unloved / unattractive / taken for granted and seeks affirmation in the arms of another. B. Partner wants a type of sexual interaction their husband / wife is uncomfortable / unwilling to consider.

Type A: You have issues within the relationship - don?t have an affair - either sort out the relationship or move on - one life at the end of the day.

Type B: The relationship may be 95% good - either sit on it or carefully seek an outlet elsewhere.

And it is in Type B that the rub, dear readers, falls. So let?s say - and remember that in this instance my experience is with other peoples wives - you decide to seek an outlet.

  1. You need someone who will be utterly discrete. Only sensible option, imho, is someone else?s partner, someone who has no intention of disrupting their marriage but seeks a little diversion. They have as much to lose as you do and will understand the need for a communications ?curfew? when partners are around.
  1. Have an e-mail account solely for cheating. Protect this scrupulously and delete as much as possible.
  1. A pay as you go phone is a must. This should be the ?work phone? you leave switched off and locked in your briefcase when at home.
  1. Always always always pay cash when conducting your ?business? elsewhere.
  1. Never be tempted to take risks with communications when your partner is around.
  1. This is the really key one - define the limits of the relationship from the outset. My current diversion and I do not kiss - this is an intimacy reserved for our partners. We have fantastic relations on an infrequent basis and always fuelled by intense cyber fore-play which leads to explosive meetings.

Why am I taking the time to write all this - well, I want to reassure some of you that seeking outlets elsewhere need not end in disaster if you are careful. Secondly remember that you have a responsibility not to mess it up if you do - risks are exciting but you must be careful at all times.

It is a universal truth that what you don?t know doesn?t hurt you. You will be surprised how many of you, while seething with outrage at my cynical perfidious dalliances, will be in exactly this position as your partners slake their thirsts elsewhere (look how many ?I can?t believe its me post there are.....). What you haven?t found out hasn?t hurt you - and provided your DH/DW acts responsibly it never will.

I would welcome your thoughts and observations (but let?s try and keep it reasoned and rational!). Happy to discuss further in private......

OP posts:
Mum72 · 22/10/2010 08:01

Redundenator I hope your wife is as discreet as you and fucking away nicely with all in sundry being careful not to hurt your ego feelings. As long as your wife does not have a hidden mobile phone and a secret well protected email account you'll be fine.

As you say yourself, what you dont know does not hurt you!(chortle)

LittlebearH · 22/10/2010 08:10

This has got to be a wind up??

Trying to justify infidelity and make it sound reasonable.

A bit(!) patronising -We need to be told why people cheat? Are we all too thick to understand why?

How would you feel if your wife was cheating on you....?

Because A: You cannot satisfy her sexual needs

B: She is unloved

C: You're a prick

AllarmBells · 22/10/2010 08:10

I think we should get "all comments must be reasoned and rational, as judged by men" added to MN talk policy.

elastaghoul · 22/10/2010 08:17

You are definately a bit of a tosser

Are you my ex husband?? Hmm

TheProfiteroleThief · 22/10/2010 08:24

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

kyotokate · 22/10/2010 08:25

I agree with Frrrrightattendant re open relationship/marriage and basic dishonesty but OP you do not seem to be interested in this idea.

"Secondly remember that you have a responsibility not to mess it up if you do - risks are exciting but you must be careful at all times."

Its all about the excitement. Pathetic.

Unless you always shag with a sock on you are a health risk to everyone you have sex with.

DuelingFanjo · 22/10/2010 08:26

wonderful. your mum and dad did a really shitty job with you didn't they?

EricNorthmansMistress · 22/10/2010 08:30

My only response to this pile of nonsense is a derisory laugh. Redundenator, you are an idiot. Cheating is not ok, even if your partner never finds out. If you choose to have ongoing sexual relations with others behind your partner's back then the relationship you are so keen on preserving is not worth the paper it is written on.

I am well aware of how and why people cheat, being a human person with sexual desires I comprehend the notion of wanting something different or getting bored with the sex you have with your partner. I am also sure I'm smart enough to cheat without getting caught - but thanks for your tips Hmm It would make me a shit person if I chose to employ that, though, and it's not at all reassuring that my H could be cheating with me never finding out. Either way would mean the relationship was a lie - do you see?

kyotokate · 22/10/2010 08:35

Bottom line.... are you for real OP? If you are you are a prick led saddo and I am glad I am too bloody old to be in your line of interest.

Silly, silly dishonest lying boy.

NerdyFace · 22/10/2010 09:31

My...Fucking...God

OP you make me ashamed to be the same sex as you reading through your post made me skin crawl, literally.

You truly are a pathetic individual. I bet you sat their giggling to yourself while you wrote your little "cheating" handbook about how to keep it secret.

Well, as someone who has been cheated on and felt the full effects of that heartbreak I have one message for you.

FUCK YOU, YOU CUNT PICKLE

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/10/2010 09:48

This actually made me laugh out loud, but please folks, let's not engage with this troll. He's not after a debate, just a wind-up.
And it's just not worth debating with someone with this level of intelligence and misogyny.
Biscuit

nickname2 · 22/10/2010 09:49

Well said Neerdy !! :)

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 09:57

Yes, it's integrity that's so lacking in the OP (if he is actually real)

It's perfectly possible to be totally disrespectful towards someone without their ever finding out, but that doesn't make it harmless or OK.

Essentially you're damaging them, and using them, and attacking them in a passive aggressive way.

You're proving to at least one person (mistress) that you are 'cleverer' than your partner, by taking an unfair advantage - of course you're cleverer, because you know about th affair and they don't, but that's why it's called 'cheating' because the only way you can ascertain this advantage is by inventing a situation of which they cannot possibly be aware.

It's not fair play.

You're doing something they would be distraught to find out about, if they ever did. You're damaging them by lying to them, while they sense a little disingenuity in your behaviour and statements yet you rob them of their instinctual reactions by denying anything is amiss.

You're fucking with your wife's head...she will sense something, of course she will. She just won't dare say it, or act on it, or even believe it.

You're keeping her in a perpetual state of disadvantage and ignorance, which in itself is abusive.

I hope these ideas have made you think a bit more about what you are doing and what kind of person it makes you.

Frrrrightattendant · 22/10/2010 10:00

In fact she isn't even your wife any more. You've made a mockery of the promises you made to her.

You've ripped it up.

She doesn't even know that.

She's not your wife, she's a slave to your self serving arrogance.

and you're no husband.

earlymorningwaking · 22/10/2010 10:00

You are laughably shallow. I am very glad that no one remotely like you exists amongst my friends. And I feel desperately sorry for any poor woman who manages to fall for your utter bullshit, although fairly confident that slimy cunts like you rarely get laid as often as they claim they do.

At some point, in a few years, your penis will age and wither, and you will have to find a new identity. Good luck with that.

(hoping OP doesn't upset anyone too much as suspect that was the point of his post)

Unprune · 22/10/2010 10:02

Ha ha, AS IF anyone who reads the threads on infidelity isn't going to know to snoop and find 'secret' email accounts. And fgs a locked briefcase with a phone in it? GET REAL. You might as well wear a sign saying 'Why yes my love, I AM fucking around.'

UnlikelyFangazonian · 22/10/2010 10:03

OP, why bother getting married? I don't understand that at all.

At least my Ex husband had the decency to abandon me and his baby son completely when he decided to fulfil his primal urges to fuck ladyboys, underage children and Cambodian/Thai prostitutes. It seems like you would have screwed around 'discreetly' while remaining married to me, thereby continuing to make my life hell with your miserable deceitful face and your STDs.

UnlikelyFangazonian · 22/10/2010 10:07

I think the OP must have gone off to fiddle with his fan belt.

Am liking your posts Frrrright

MadameOvary · 22/10/2010 10:11

Um...it's a troll.
Just point and laugh.
Grin at "cunt pickle" (tho source of the sentiment is not amusing,obv)

NigellaPleaseComeDineWithMe · 22/10/2010 10:12

I can't find the right words to describe the OP - why bother to post up such a stupid post.

NerdyFace · 22/10/2010 10:12

I heard it on a TV show last night Blush

Never met someone more deserving though than this scumbag OP

Appletrees · 22/10/2010 10:15
Shock

OH MY DEAR LORD!

keep it up girls

GypsyMoth · 22/10/2010 10:17

op,are you a troll...or not?

cos i have my own thoughts on your op (which is a bit long to be from a standard troll we get here usually)

agree about the amount of men who will currently be cheating on blissfully unaware partners,yes,some of whom,will be mumsnetters!!

MadameOvary · 22/10/2010 10:17

Absolutely Nerdyface.
Still smirking at a title that links "infidelity" with "responsibility"

earlymorningwaking · 22/10/2010 10:21

In any case the OP is flawed - you can't use your personal experiences (fascinating as they are.. rolls eyes..) to explain how/why PEOPLE cheat, you can't use your frame of reference to explain other peoples behaviour.
You silly fuck.

I don't know what makes me feel sadder - the thought that someone genuinely considered posting this arse-clownery a good idea, or the thought of grown men on motoring site planning their 'funny joke' on a parenting site. Both equally mournful. Definitely try to get out a bit more OP.