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its all gone to shit

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jinx1 · 11/10/2010 00:54

sorry, very long. i thought me and dp had a great relationship, loving, trusting, lovely house, new baby, he's a good dad to her and my two older dc's from previous relationship, etc etc. perfect. only not. to be honest i thought i was reading too much mumsnet and seeing it all of a sudden materialize in rl. it started with a little less affection from him which was wierd cos we've always been very touchy feely. Then it was less sex. Then it was turning his back to me in bed without so much as a good night let alone a hug or kiss. all of which i called him on, asked if everyhting was ok etc and he said work was stressful so i let him be. next it was disappearing into the bath for an hour after work every night, taking himself off to bed as early as 7pm on his days off,and getting an awful lot of texts from someone he said it was a workmate with relationship problems. in general not being himself and being incredibly secretive.
the bombshell came after we'd had a great night out together on the saturday night, the first time since new baby came along. really had an awesome night, lots of affection, lots of sex, just like we'd always been. the next afternoon he went to this old mates house. i called him about 1am windering where he was cos he had no key and i wanted to go to bed but his phone was off. i went to bed and he turned up middle of the next day. he missed the last train. his battery had died. fair enough. he takes himself off for a bath and is quiet with me. that night he told me he needed space to think and he wasn't sure where our relationship was headed. WTF??? and i ended up at my parents with the kids for a few days completely bewildered and heartbroken. and it came out bit by bit. he'd met a girl on his lunchbreak at work two weeks previous. a random girl who'd asked for a light. and he'd taken her number. and met her for lunch a couple of times. and the workmate with the relationship problems he'd so merrily told me he was texting wasn't at all, it was her. and in the bath every night...texting her. and when he took himself off to bed cos he was so tired...texting her. and she's 18 for fucks sake. and she now knows all about our little family and how apparantly he hasnt been happy with me for a while and is only here for our new baby. and she's said all the right things. i wish you could leave her for me but i'm worried she won't let you see the baby. what the fuck!!! and he's bought it.
so he admits all this to me while i sit crying and tells me nothing has happened with her he wants it to work between us.i feel completely betrayed even though its just been texts and lunch i now know he's been lying to me and he's sat next to me on the sofa infront of the tv all cosy with the baby and all... texting some lass telling her he's not happy here. i tell him if we're gonna make it work he'll have to stop contact and he agrees. but the next day...he tells me he thinks we should split after all. he wont give her up and she is just a friend. no friend asks you to leave your partner when you've just had a baby together. and the fact that a conversation went on where he let her think he might... that was 2 weeks ago.
now i find myself living with my partner who tells me he can be nothing more than my friend. who lies to me when he feels like it(told me he was going for drink with a mate on friday night then admitted he'd walked round our area for 3 hours with someone he used to work with cos she was bored, while i sat at home on my own trying to settle the baby) he's still in touch with the 18 year old girl and she texts him regularly and has been into work to see him but he still says nothing has happened. doesnt seem to realise how much it hurts me him still being in contact with her...feels like she's back-up, like she's just waiting for him to decide to leave. and has been out all weekend fuck knows where while i'm at home in pieces with our newborn and my older dc. he keeps saying he wants things back as they were with us but this will be the second night he's been out with no contact...nothing. and when i pointed out in a text this aft that he's barely seen the baby in 3 days and i may as well be on my own he accuses me of using her as a weapon to get him home. i was single mum for a good few years in a crappy area when i met him and one of the wrost things is how he makes out i should be grateful for all he's done for me and my kids and makes me feel like he did me a favour. what the hell happened to the relationship i thought i had? just don't know what to do. he swears nothing has happened with this girl and that it won't but this is his second night away i don't know where he is or what to think. my gut instict says this mate he's stayin at is giving him somewhere to take this girl but i don't want to believe that of him. just feel completely lost like my world has tipped upside down and i'm hanging onto the edge for dear life. finding it hard to keep a brave face for older dc's and coping with newborn. should be such a happy time. what to do?

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ChocolateMoose · 29/10/2010 10:22

He's the wronged party? AHAHAHAHA Why on earth would any court give him custody of the baby?

Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 10:30

Hi jinx

What a total basa*!! He is treating you and kids like shit on the floor. Stand upto him ! You really must do. You make the decisions from now on. If he doesn't like it then tough! He should have thought about that before cheating, lying, being selfish! Can't believe he could be so mean to the kids either. His baby is poorly and he's out all night , its unbelievably selfish. Not only to baby but also to you, not helping out! Jinx he's a big controlling bully! Don't let him bully you. Its time for you to show him whose boss. Make plans wether u stay in the house your in or move somewher e new you need to begin the process to settle u and kids. He can live where he wants only think about u and kids now!

Do you have any family to help you or friennds? Think u need them right now. Also could you not get a babysitter and have a night out?

Sending you hugs xX

jinx1 · 29/10/2010 10:31

I'm hoping it's an empty threat.

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jinx1 · 29/10/2010 10:35

Thanks for the hug x no family close by and it's a new area so no close friends. Head all over the place today. Know I need to suck it up and get myself in gear... And a Halloween party to prepare for kids and their friends tonight. Oh god how to cope with that on top of everything else. I'm hoping to go to parents tomorrow and see if I can get a bit if time out on my own. Thanks all x

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Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 10:41

He cheated and messed you about for so long. ItS his loss big time! You made a home for him and. Chidren, that is a job! Don't let him destroy your confidence. If you had gone out to work u wud have nursery fees he's a idiot! And I think its greatest job in world bringing up your new baby and u as the mother being there ! He should be pleased your baby didn't get palmed off too nursery! I think u need your mum and family to help support you through moving or staying where you are and getting him to go x

Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 10:46

Maybe you could move near your family and friends . Have them around you!
I hope you enjoy your party and the kids do too xx its not easy but you will get through it x

Inertia · 29/10/2010 10:47

Jinx you are doing brilliantly.

Might be an idea to keep a diary/ log of all the things he's said, all the times he's stayed out overnight, not been in contact to let you know where he is etc, just so that you have something to refer back to when discussing custody arrangements. Cannot imagine how on earth any court would award him custody of a tiny baby, he is just trying to frighten you into doing what he wants- to him, the baby is a pawn in the power game.

Please prioritise sorting out what you and the children are entitled to, including housing. He's clearly going to play dirty. Cancel the party if necessary- people will understand.

msboogieHallowqueen · 29/10/2010 11:11

jinx you are that baby's primary (and only ) carer. The only way he would get custody would be if she was at serious risk of harm from you. No court is EVER going to hand her to a neglectful father who is more interested in knocking about with teenage slappers than being there for his sick child.

I hope you are seeing that this is the real him now?? He is a wrong 'un and everything he does and says now proves that. I know you feel you are losing something here but please keep thinking of the effect that continuing with this life will have on your kids. They are already noticing that he doesn't care about you all. You are such a brilliant mum - thinking of them will give you the strenght you need to do what has to be done.

I hate to say this but there is every likelihood that this 18 yr old will end up getting pregnant to him - she will see it as the ultimate weapon in getting her man. I would be out of there before that happens.

I spent 12 years with a man like him. I will always regret not walking away the first time he showed me what he was like.

Please PM me if you ever need someone to talk to.

{more hugs}

jinx1 · 29/10/2010 11:20

I really don't want to disappoint the kids and it's so short notice to cancel it wouldn't be fair. Maybe havibg a houseful will be a distraction for a couple of hours. Don't know how it came to this, been looking at houses this morning, explained to kids in a fashion, mum trying to help but I'm afraid I was snappy with her, felt like she was taking over...I will call and apologise. It's just such a mess. I'm gonna finish my coffee then sort myself out a bit. I've had such good advice and support this morning, Thanx all x

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jinx1 · 29/10/2010 11:22

Oh msboogie Thanx so much I might just do that if you don't mind x

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Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 11:27

Hi jinx,
Yeh I think you should continue with the party . Kids will enjoy themselves and it will take your mind off things. Fun things like tht always cheer me up. Maybe you should let your mum help you sort things out, it is taking some of the worry and stress from you. I am pleased your mum is their for you. X

shadycharacter · 29/10/2010 11:52

Glad your mum is helping out jinx. Like everybody else is saying, put the custody worry to the back of your mind. He will not get custody of the baby. Like inertia said, I think it'd be a great idea to keep a diary of things he says, does, how often he chooses to be away from his poorly newborn baby that he so desperately wants custody of. How is baby now by the way?

I think you're doing great. Ignore any of his nasty remarks to you, while he's spouting them, just think to yourself

If he's off getting legal advice, be prepared for him to either be an utter bastard to you later, or for him try the woe is me, I've been a fool, take me back thing...depending on what he's been told. If you can get to CAB they can help you loads re housing, assets, money, etc. Might make you feel in a better position if you're armed with knowledge.

Aside from all the practical stuff, keep talking, to us, to your mum, your friends, whoever. It's going to be painful, I know it's very sad and frustrating when somebody else ruins everything you've worked hard for and cherished because of their selfish ways but it's not your fault, you did what you could and you will be the one to gain from this. You can go back to being your happy self with your children...while it's a horrible time right now, you've got SO much to look forward to!

x

PinkIceQueen · 29/10/2010 11:52

Jinx, just to reassure you, my ex said he wanted custody of my 2 - solicitor laughed at that - no chance, and he was a good father. He's talking out of his arse on that 1, so 1 less thing for you to worry about. Yes, ring your mum, she was probably doing what she thought was right to try and help you and you will need her support. Good luck with party, you are right to go ahead, but if you decide you can't, fake an illness, no1 would bat an eyelid at that ;)

Good luck x

jinx1 · 29/10/2010 12:22

Yes the party is going ahead, thanks for your post pink, makes me feel a bit better. It's good to know I can vent here. sorry for the rush kids want to get on with making buns and things x

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jinx1 · 29/10/2010 14:56

Well that's the gingerbread iced and buns in the oven. Kids have friends over already so that's them sorted for a while. Smiley face firmly in place for them. Thinking clearer I know I will have to stay in this house for another 4 weeks. 1) to give landlord notice. 2) to give me chance to save for a bond and sort out entitlements. God never thought I'd be here again. Back to square one. In the meantime I intend to give p as many visits with baby as he wants. Won't have him saying I'm unreasonable. Got a rl friend coming this evening to help with little monsters I forsee coffee and tears in the kitchen. I don't know if he's coming home for the party, the kids are expecting him. I should text and ask and also say we need a real conversation. Baby is so much better thank you for asking [hsmile]

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DioneTheDiabolist · 29/10/2010 23:44

Jinx, you're doing brilliantly. Just keep yourself and your DS's wellbeing to the forefront.

He is calling your bluff and if you go back to him things will only get worse, but I think you already know that. Cry with your RL and Mumsnet friends, be as impartial as you can in front of your DCs. Don't worry about his threats, unless he's threatening violence, deal with them when they become reality, one by one.

You are doing so well. I'm sending you a hug, but give yourself one as well. Congratulate yourself. You're a good woman and a great mum.[hsmile]

jinx1 · 30/10/2010 03:04

Wasnt expecting him home I text to ask his plans but surprise surprise no response. He got in just as kids were arriving for Halloween party and said he'd spend the evening upstairs then when he took baby for a cuddle I saw big love bite on his neck. Hadnt noticed it when he got in night before but he'd kept himself to himself...got him upstairs and asked outright. Yes he'd had a lot of fun when he was out Wednesday/thursday got off with a cute guy didn't know his name hadnt taken his number (he's bi - didn't really seem
Relevant to my thread before now) I know I suspected it and it's power to my elbow but I also now know hes been getting off with anyone he can all this time and making out I was paranoid. And the fact he knew I'd see it and it would make me feel like shit... it's lower and more cruel than I ever thought him capable of. and the kids will see it too and know it wasn't there before. Can barely stand to look at him now. Just want to scream. and he doesn't seem to be making any attempt to sort himself sonewhere else to stay. Think he's decided it's his house too which it is. He hasn't considered my feelings in ages no reason to start now. So angry. He hasn't come to bed yet. He better fucking sleep on the sofa.

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mathanxiety · 30/10/2010 04:09

That 18 year old ho is going to love having to babysit your baby isn't she?

Jinx, there's no way he can have the baby, either overnight or as a permanent custody arrangement. Even moreso if you are bfing, but even with bottlefeeds, there's no way a court would listen to him.

Print out this thread. It is an accurate diary of everything he has done for the last while, dates, times, details and conversations, including the threat about the baby.

He sounds abusive, especially in the last day or so with the threats about the baby and trying to control where you live, a man who actually has a huge amount of hostility towards you and a massive sense of entitlement. And anyone who would mess around with 18 year olds when he's 28 has something seriously wrong with him.

mathanxiety · 30/10/2010 04:13

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Get to a std clinic asap.

NO TIME TO LOSE!!!!

Holy shit.

He is rubbing your face in the anger. Do not trust him as far as you can throw him. He is messed up.

exH used to leave porn on the computer and anyone who moved the mouse wuold be treated to an eyeful. Men as well as women. Men like this are ANGRY.

Don't let him in your bed ever again.

mathanxiety · 30/10/2010 05:08

His recent behaviour is like a kid in a candy shop Jinx, with a massive chip on his shoulder against you and everything you stand for.

ShirleyGarrote · 30/10/2010 09:19

Fucking hell

Tell him to go and to go TODAY. you poor thing.

msboogieHallowqueen · 30/10/2010 11:49

oh shit jinx that is awful, really horrible. At least theres no going back now. You need to get him out of the house now. Change the locks and throw his stuff out in the street next time he goes out. Yes he is angry and fucked up. He laid a trap for you. You will have to get yourself checked out. He would have no interest in looking after that baby you know; not the way he wants to carry on. Sorry its a rant, on phone and so angry for you.Hope you and the kids are ok. It must ne so hard to carry on being normal for them.

jinx1 · 30/10/2010 12:19

Thanks all, you're all so great. had lots of rl support last night too. I know he will have been careful that's not really the issue it's that he could be shit enough to have that bite sat there knowing how it would make me feel. So cruel. Part of me just wants him to wake up and put his arms around me and say sorry he's been such a shit and part of me just thinks fuck off don't ever touch me again. I've worried him this morning by how cool and calm I am. I've come to my parents for a few hours just to get away. He wants to know what's going on and why I seem less miserable today. I see now that he's intent on destroying what shreds of a relationship we still had, it's like he's set on self destruct. I spoke to someone last night who knows him and she said he's done this with all his relationships. Gets what he wants then trashes it. I almost feel sad for him now. He had all this, I was apparently the best thing that ever happened to him and from what this person said last night I'm inclined to agree. He's worried today. I think he's realised I've been pushed too far. Am gonna enjoy my time with parents then go talk to him. I'm not angry or even upset anymore. I just want to sort out my life. Thanks for your hugs and support. X x

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 30/10/2010 12:27

jinx1 as long as you are saying things like "I know he will have been careful" (with regard to exposing you to STDs) and "part of me wants him to put his arms around me", you are still massively vulnerable to believing that this man is decent and worth a relationship. Please get yourself checked and don't ever go back to this man.

loopylouwitchywoo6 · 30/10/2010 12:56

Please see this for what it is, he is a twisted man and he is getting his kicks out of abusing you. You must go and get your sexual health checked ASAP and you also need to leave and not look back, if you can't do it for yourself do it for your children.