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its all gone to shit

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jinx1 · 11/10/2010 00:54

sorry, very long. i thought me and dp had a great relationship, loving, trusting, lovely house, new baby, he's a good dad to her and my two older dc's from previous relationship, etc etc. perfect. only not. to be honest i thought i was reading too much mumsnet and seeing it all of a sudden materialize in rl. it started with a little less affection from him which was wierd cos we've always been very touchy feely. Then it was less sex. Then it was turning his back to me in bed without so much as a good night let alone a hug or kiss. all of which i called him on, asked if everyhting was ok etc and he said work was stressful so i let him be. next it was disappearing into the bath for an hour after work every night, taking himself off to bed as early as 7pm on his days off,and getting an awful lot of texts from someone he said it was a workmate with relationship problems. in general not being himself and being incredibly secretive.
the bombshell came after we'd had a great night out together on the saturday night, the first time since new baby came along. really had an awesome night, lots of affection, lots of sex, just like we'd always been. the next afternoon he went to this old mates house. i called him about 1am windering where he was cos he had no key and i wanted to go to bed but his phone was off. i went to bed and he turned up middle of the next day. he missed the last train. his battery had died. fair enough. he takes himself off for a bath and is quiet with me. that night he told me he needed space to think and he wasn't sure where our relationship was headed. WTF??? and i ended up at my parents with the kids for a few days completely bewildered and heartbroken. and it came out bit by bit. he'd met a girl on his lunchbreak at work two weeks previous. a random girl who'd asked for a light. and he'd taken her number. and met her for lunch a couple of times. and the workmate with the relationship problems he'd so merrily told me he was texting wasn't at all, it was her. and in the bath every night...texting her. and when he took himself off to bed cos he was so tired...texting her. and she's 18 for fucks sake. and she now knows all about our little family and how apparantly he hasnt been happy with me for a while and is only here for our new baby. and she's said all the right things. i wish you could leave her for me but i'm worried she won't let you see the baby. what the fuck!!! and he's bought it.
so he admits all this to me while i sit crying and tells me nothing has happened with her he wants it to work between us.i feel completely betrayed even though its just been texts and lunch i now know he's been lying to me and he's sat next to me on the sofa infront of the tv all cosy with the baby and all... texting some lass telling her he's not happy here. i tell him if we're gonna make it work he'll have to stop contact and he agrees. but the next day...he tells me he thinks we should split after all. he wont give her up and she is just a friend. no friend asks you to leave your partner when you've just had a baby together. and the fact that a conversation went on where he let her think he might... that was 2 weeks ago.
now i find myself living with my partner who tells me he can be nothing more than my friend. who lies to me when he feels like it(told me he was going for drink with a mate on friday night then admitted he'd walked round our area for 3 hours with someone he used to work with cos she was bored, while i sat at home on my own trying to settle the baby) he's still in touch with the 18 year old girl and she texts him regularly and has been into work to see him but he still says nothing has happened. doesnt seem to realise how much it hurts me him still being in contact with her...feels like she's back-up, like she's just waiting for him to decide to leave. and has been out all weekend fuck knows where while i'm at home in pieces with our newborn and my older dc. he keeps saying he wants things back as they were with us but this will be the second night he's been out with no contact...nothing. and when i pointed out in a text this aft that he's barely seen the baby in 3 days and i may as well be on my own he accuses me of using her as a weapon to get him home. i was single mum for a good few years in a crappy area when i met him and one of the wrost things is how he makes out i should be grateful for all he's done for me and my kids and makes me feel like he did me a favour. what the hell happened to the relationship i thought i had? just don't know what to do. he swears nothing has happened with this girl and that it won't but this is his second night away i don't know where he is or what to think. my gut instict says this mate he's stayin at is giving him somewhere to take this girl but i don't want to believe that of him. just feel completely lost like my world has tipped upside down and i'm hanging onto the edge for dear life. finding it hard to keep a brave face for older dc's and coping with newborn. should be such a happy time. what to do?

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 12/10/2010 07:34

How are things this morning jinx?

jinx1 · 12/10/2010 10:01

sorry i seem to have disappeared but i've come down with the virus the kids have had and feel lousy. dp has cared for me since he got in yesterday which by the way is perfectly normal behaviour for him, he was ace caring for me while i was pregnant/recovering from birth etc.
he came home in a great mood, had missed us all. gave me a full run down of his weekend and i really can't find fault with any of it. it was a boys weekend and it all checks out. i just also want to say that i never said he was cheating only that i had suspicions but everyone seems to have assumed it. what i said was he'd met a girl who'd wanted more than friendship and he'd lied etc when it came to texting her etc, he maintains that nothing has nor will it ever happen between them as he has set her straight that we are his priority. and since then it seems she's lost interest a bit. yes it hurts that he lied, that he won't cut contact with her all together etc but i feel now like there's light at the end of the tunnel. yes he's acting like a dick, a teenage dick at that. was he taking the piss disappearing for the weekend with no contact? yes absolutely and i won't be standing for it again. and will i believe everything he tells me? no. but i believe he loves me and we are his priority so for now things stay as they are.well, not quite the same as i see what a complete doormat i've been and he's doing the things he's doing cos i let him get away with it. i know you'll all flame me for staying but i read what ladybutterfly posted and thought yes, our relationship and family means too much for me to walk away just yet. but thanks to all you lovely mumnetters i feel much stronger and know that things have to change. i WILL NOT be walked all over anymore and i intend to make sure he knows that. the rose tinted spectacles are off and i've remembered the strong independent woman i was before we met. no things haven't suddenly become perfect over night, far from it, and the relationship will probably never be the same again, trust issues etc but thanks to all of you, your advice has been invaluable and having somewhere to vent is awesome.

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 12/10/2010 10:13

Jinx sweetie, no one will flame you for staying. Everyone here wants you to make the right choice for you and your family, no matter what that it.

You should beware though. I understand what you are feeling - he has come home and wants things to be normal again. There is probably an overwhelmingly large part of you that wants everything to be back to normal. Also, it is suprisingl how easy it is to pretend that nothing has happened.

Keep your eyes open. From what you have said on here I personally would think that he has had sex with her. Do not let your desire for normality and a happy family blind you to what is going on.

I really do hope that it works out for you, no-one thinks bad things about you on MN. So do come back if you need some more chatting Smile

jinx1 · 12/10/2010 10:51

thanks pfft your advice has probably been the most open and helpful and i really do appreciate it. i am under no delusions about him or our relationship anymore, i think i thought we had the perfect set up but having posted on here i've had to face up to a few home truths and all has not been right for a while if i'm honest, there have been things i've 'put up' with simply because i loved him. i think now i love him a little less i'll cope better, it feels like i'm all cried out. normal is a word that doesn't exist in my reality anymore and i will be keeping my eyes wide open from now on. i'm not a rash person ands if it comes to it i will be prepared thanks to mn advice. so glad to hear i'll be welcome here :)

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blinks · 12/10/2010 11:52

good luck. the important thing is not just drawing the line of what is acceptable behaviour, but following through on not standing for it when it happens.

i hope it works out for you.

msboogie · 12/10/2010 12:28

jinx no one should flame you for wanting to hold onto the dream of your happy family and everything that you have worked for. You have a new baby and I can't think of a time a woman would ever feel more vulnerable.

Your husband has had his fun for now and may feel like he is obliged to behave for a bit so as not to push you too far. Of course he doesn't want to lose you completely - not if he can have his cake and eat it. He did what he did because he expected to get away with it and he has got away with it.

Next time, and I am sorry to say there will be a next time, you are going to have to take a stand and you are going to have to follow it through. He is a father to a newborn and he cannot be disappearing off for "boys' weekends" with his phone turned off with out so much as a by your leave. It is totally disrepectful of your family life.

Unless you are prepared to live like this forever you are going to need to get tough and make it clear to him what is and is not unacceptable from now on.

And you have to mean it.

jinx1 · 12/10/2010 13:06

Thanx msboogie don't worry the blinkers are off. the jinx who initially posted on here in the early hours of Sunday morning was at her lowest ever point. I knew I had been well and truly down trodden and his lack of respect for our family and my feelings when he and the kids have always come first in my life was heartbreaking. especially as my mind was all over the place wondering where he was what he was doing etc. so for now family life will resume. dinner will be on the table at 7.30 as always. if he wants to be in to eat with us then great if not he can sort himself out. washing will be done twice a week as usual so if he wants clean socks they better be in the basket or he'll be doing them himself. think what I'm getting at is showing him life goes on whether he's here or not. he's got it into his head that i'm scared to be alone or can't cope without him... think what he forgets is that I was really good at being a single mum before he turned up..the jinx has got her mojo back thanks to you guys x x x

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ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 14:52

good luck, jinx and stick around x

Justthisone · 12/10/2010 15:03

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jinx1 · 12/10/2010 15:52

i knew he wouldnt be home the first night it was the second night i wasnt expecting. i put in my post that i text him on the sunday afternoon to see if he was coming back and he accused me of using baby as a weapon to get him home. it was then i found out he wouldnt be home til next day but had had no contact all saturday night and then none on sunday night and my mind was working over time. he'd said where he was going but as you can see from rest of my thread he's not exactly been the most honest person lately. i had no real idea where he was or who was there til he came home yesterday. in the past there was always lots of communtication when he was out, texts, calls etc but lately all that has stopped. i'm sorry if it wasnt clear, i was in a bit of a state and words were flooding out all over the place.

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sungirltan · 12/10/2010 16:24

at the end of the day (and other cliches), jinx, you have to do what you feel is best for you and your kids.

however, you are giving him license to pretty much do as he pleases because he's got away with it. he might not have shagged this little 18 year old but he's had the emotional affair by gthe sounds of it :-(

jinx1 · 12/10/2010 16:34

he'll tell me he's going and says he'll let me know whether he'll be in or not then I don't hear from him again unless I call to see whats happening. when I text on sunday aft to see what time he'd be home he asked why I needed to know. pretty sure he wouldnt have let me know he was staying had I not asked. it didn't used to be like that :(

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jinx1 · 12/10/2010 16:38

I know sungirltan. I've been all 'cool wifey' about his female friends in the past cos I trusted him but this is entirely different.

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ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 16:43

jinx, quit the "cool wife" act now, please ??

jinx1 · 12/10/2010 16:47

with pleasure scaryfucker

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jinx1 · 24/10/2010 22:15

just wanted to update everyone who so kindly gave their advice...he told me the 18 year old girl had lost interest...then thursday before last he fell asleep on the sofa with his phone on the table. its an iphone. texts appear on the screen and when i saw her text pop up i had to read it - 'i miss you too but dont worry we'll see each other tomorrow hehe xxx' smileys and all that shit. i was shaking cos he'd obviously been the one to text first with 'i miss you...' i was close to checking his phone but he woke up, checked it himself, pocketed it and fell asleep again. i confronted him when he woke up and he was livid, accused me of going thru his phone. straight away turned his guilt back on me. i didnt need to check his phone. i'd seen all i needed and his reaction backed it up. told him i was leaving and i hoped she was worth it. he actually had the gaul to say did i really think i'd be better off alone. i was calm as hell and told him not to be under any illusions, i would be just fine without him. and that unless he cut contact i couldn't see me staying. i had all the its unfair crap, repeating he'd done nothing wrong blah blah blah... then he said he didnt want me to leave and by 3am we'd talked it through, she'd convinced him he was trapped blah blah blah and anyway he agreed she was a problem and he'd cut contact...
...so we just had 10 really good days. hearing his phone ring or text, watching him ignore it if it was her...priceless. he's done more in the house, told me who's texting, what they're saying, been more involved with the baby, with the kids, with me...done all the right things to show he's come back to me...had a wonderful day yesterday, out for a meal, planning christmas...then just as we arrived home he got a text and instead of ignoring it he read it to me all matter of factly, 'oh she wants to hook up tonight or tomorrow'...and our awesome day just deflates, the feeling i had of things starting to go right feels...fake.like i imagined it. wtf i say. he assures me he's not going. and then he texts her for a bit ffs!! so he hasnt told her to fuck off has he. now he says he's cutting down on contact, not cutting it all together, and i can't tell him who to talk to. its like one step foward two steps back. wasting my breath. he just doesn't get how far he's pushing me does he. i'm 2 seconds from walking. he's out tonight with a girl he knows having drinks for her 18th. yes another 18 year old. but i know this one, and she has a bf, not that that makes him being out with her any easier for me cos i'm still the one sat here on my own with a baby who's got her first virus and won't settle. says he'll be in at 11ish...but he's taken his work stuff...which makes me think he has no intention of being in at all tonight. and i'll probably feel guilty for saying that when (if) he does come in when he said he would. is this it for me now, to always doubt him? to always be suspicious? the tears have gone. i just feel horibly...hollow. he turned over and cuddled me during the night last night for the first time in ages. i just clung to him, hanging on to any bit of encouragement that i'm right to ride the storm.feeling totally pathetic. loving the man i remember. hating what he's doing to me. suppose i've made my bed and for now i'll lie in it. but i know if i have to walk away i'll do it knowing i did all i could to fix it, he just broke it far too badly to mend.[hsad]

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phipps · 24/10/2010 22:17

He is a prick. So sorry. Sad

ValiumSkeleton · 24/10/2010 22:24

Oh what a weak immature man. He sounds awful, trotting around with 18 year olds on a regular basis Confused. He has a wife and a young baby and he took the number of a girl who asked him for a light... Confused. He was hardly seduced against his will there. It wasn't an emotional affair (is that possible with an 18 year old!? - sorry!).

I agree with SGB;s post a page back. He feels he rescued you and so the role he expects you to play for the rest of your marriage if it is to survive is on HIS terms, ie, you must be grateful, accepting, subordinate....

msboogieHallowqueen · 24/10/2010 22:24

He has taken his work clothes for tomorrow out with him tonight?

and you actually believe that he is not with her tonight?

I feel sad for you, I really do.

You really must stop allowing yourself to be treated like shit. It is degrading to you and your children.

You have done enough and more to ride it out. It is time to take back your dignity and leave this pervy old git with his teneage girlfriends.

Doha · 24/10/2010 22:26

you and your DC's deserve so much better.

Where is your self-respect. He is walking all over you and you are allowing him to do so.

You need to grow a pair...sorry

jinx1 · 24/10/2010 22:59

Not his work clothes, the keys. It's not that I'm afraid to leave or be alone it's that he seems to want to try which renews my hope. We had a very strong relationship before this, very adventurous sex life, just awesome partnership all round. This has come so out of the blue. I've read so many threads on here in thr past and thought how horrible it must be and how brilliant my fella is in comparison to these dipshits...

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jinx1 · 24/10/2010 23:47

So much for in at 11...

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Inertia · 24/10/2010 23:57

Jinx, I'm sorry you are going through this. He is really stringing you along in the most selfish way.

It's completely understandable that you want your family to remain intact. But, as an outsider, it doesn't look like he wants to try to make it work. It looks like he's trying to avoid the hassle of a messy separation and having to find somewhere to live ( the 18 yo might still live with her parents; can't imagine they'd welcome him in ! )

He has no reason to break things off with this girl while he's getting home comforts with you and the single life when it suits him. His actions suggest he's sticking 2 fingers up to your hopes and your childrens' welfare.

DinahRod · 25/10/2010 00:09

I get the impression you can't believe that the man you had this wonderful relationship with has morphed into a complete twat - that you know him inside out and this can't now be who is he is. So when he tells you he wants to be with you, you ache to believe him.

But he's having his cake and eating it - he's telling you one thing to keep you hanging and clearly the OW too. You've not been a fool all this time, he's no monster but he is behaving like a complete pillock and is undeserving of your love.

Isn't about time this foolish man had a dose of cold reality? Out of interest do his family and yours know what he's been up to?

Get down to CAB/see a solicitor and find out what you are entitled to, so you are on firm ground there re the house/maintenance etc. Your job is protect you and yours. If you need ammunition to harden your heart, you might also want to make an appt at a GUM clinic.

Am so sorry you're going through this and look forward to you getting righteous and angry.

DioneTheDiabolist · 25/10/2010 00:11

Jinx, whatever your DP is, he is not interested in you as a real human alive equal person. If he was, he would fess up, take responsibility and do whatever it took to make your relationship work.

You should not have to be grateful that he rescued you, he didn't. Yeah, the area you lived in wasn't great, but you had a good, stable home with your kids, surrounded by a great support network. He didn't rescue you, you gave up all that for a dream that he sold you.

Take your time, get strong, do not believe anything he tells you and when the time is right get out. I'm sorry to say this, but if you don't, he eventually will.Sad