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its all gone to shit

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jinx1 · 11/10/2010 00:54

sorry, very long. i thought me and dp had a great relationship, loving, trusting, lovely house, new baby, he's a good dad to her and my two older dc's from previous relationship, etc etc. perfect. only not. to be honest i thought i was reading too much mumsnet and seeing it all of a sudden materialize in rl. it started with a little less affection from him which was wierd cos we've always been very touchy feely. Then it was less sex. Then it was turning his back to me in bed without so much as a good night let alone a hug or kiss. all of which i called him on, asked if everyhting was ok etc and he said work was stressful so i let him be. next it was disappearing into the bath for an hour after work every night, taking himself off to bed as early as 7pm on his days off,and getting an awful lot of texts from someone he said it was a workmate with relationship problems. in general not being himself and being incredibly secretive.
the bombshell came after we'd had a great night out together on the saturday night, the first time since new baby came along. really had an awesome night, lots of affection, lots of sex, just like we'd always been. the next afternoon he went to this old mates house. i called him about 1am windering where he was cos he had no key and i wanted to go to bed but his phone was off. i went to bed and he turned up middle of the next day. he missed the last train. his battery had died. fair enough. he takes himself off for a bath and is quiet with me. that night he told me he needed space to think and he wasn't sure where our relationship was headed. WTF??? and i ended up at my parents with the kids for a few days completely bewildered and heartbroken. and it came out bit by bit. he'd met a girl on his lunchbreak at work two weeks previous. a random girl who'd asked for a light. and he'd taken her number. and met her for lunch a couple of times. and the workmate with the relationship problems he'd so merrily told me he was texting wasn't at all, it was her. and in the bath every night...texting her. and when he took himself off to bed cos he was so tired...texting her. and she's 18 for fucks sake. and she now knows all about our little family and how apparantly he hasnt been happy with me for a while and is only here for our new baby. and she's said all the right things. i wish you could leave her for me but i'm worried she won't let you see the baby. what the fuck!!! and he's bought it.
so he admits all this to me while i sit crying and tells me nothing has happened with her he wants it to work between us.i feel completely betrayed even though its just been texts and lunch i now know he's been lying to me and he's sat next to me on the sofa infront of the tv all cosy with the baby and all... texting some lass telling her he's not happy here. i tell him if we're gonna make it work he'll have to stop contact and he agrees. but the next day...he tells me he thinks we should split after all. he wont give her up and she is just a friend. no friend asks you to leave your partner when you've just had a baby together. and the fact that a conversation went on where he let her think he might... that was 2 weeks ago.
now i find myself living with my partner who tells me he can be nothing more than my friend. who lies to me when he feels like it(told me he was going for drink with a mate on friday night then admitted he'd walked round our area for 3 hours with someone he used to work with cos she was bored, while i sat at home on my own trying to settle the baby) he's still in touch with the 18 year old girl and she texts him regularly and has been into work to see him but he still says nothing has happened. doesnt seem to realise how much it hurts me him still being in contact with her...feels like she's back-up, like she's just waiting for him to decide to leave. and has been out all weekend fuck knows where while i'm at home in pieces with our newborn and my older dc. he keeps saying he wants things back as they were with us but this will be the second night he's been out with no contact...nothing. and when i pointed out in a text this aft that he's barely seen the baby in 3 days and i may as well be on my own he accuses me of using her as a weapon to get him home. i was single mum for a good few years in a crappy area when i met him and one of the wrost things is how he makes out i should be grateful for all he's done for me and my kids and makes me feel like he did me a favour. what the hell happened to the relationship i thought i had? just don't know what to do. he swears nothing has happened with this girl and that it won't but this is his second night away i don't know where he is or what to think. my gut instict says this mate he's stayin at is giving him somewhere to take this girl but i don't want to believe that of him. just feel completely lost like my world has tipped upside down and i'm hanging onto the edge for dear life. finding it hard to keep a brave face for older dc's and coping with newborn. should be such a happy time. what to do?

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 11/10/2010 10:53

So lets talk practicalities-

Are you renting, or do you have a mortgage?
Do you have family or friends you can go to if you need to?
Do you have any savings?
Do you have any debts?
Are the bills in your name or his?
Can you access all birth certificates, passports?
Do you have access to a joint account and what is in it?

You have not wrecked this relationship. He has. He has ruined your trust and your family.

It is not impossible to fix things, but a lot of that depends on him, and him wanting to change.

You need to decide if you want to wait and see if he wants to change, or if you want to make your own decision.

[hug]

jinx1 · 11/10/2010 11:00

oh thanks pfft you're ace.
the bills are all in my name
he had a few debts but i cleared them (i'm good with money)
i have no debts
we rent
we have a joint account and i just paid all the bills so there's sod all in it
we have no savings
i cant afford to live here alone

yes the trust is gone i think and i dont think he cares. i dont even think he realises what he's done. he knows he's hurt me but i dont think he can possibly imagine how much. i put all my trust in him. stupid i know. if it had just been a case of saying i'm not sure where we're heading i could've worked with that...but refusing to stop contact with this girl...unbearable. find it hard to believe a word he says and i so desperately want to. when he's here its like nothing's changed and then i remember...
i have a decision to make, i know.

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suburbophobe · 11/10/2010 11:14

He's effectively left you already, hasn't he (not coming home, not even to lock it!), and if he's not totally open with you re his phone and online, then he's obviously hiding something, I think you should get to know what your rights are, pronto!

I am so sorry you are going through this!

PfftTheMagicDragon · 11/10/2010 11:15

Well at least you have no debt. Smile

It could be that he just hasn't realised the magnitude of what has happened. My H maintained that he had done nothing wrong, that it wasn't cheating, that I was being unreasonable. Though he only did this for about 12 hours. Once everything sank in, he was regretful and tearful and wanted me back.

I found that I had moments where I would forget what had happened - just for a minute I could convince myself that I was just another happy woman collecting my child from school - that there wasn't all this stuff going on in the background.

Rest assured that whatever you are feeling, it is normal. There are hundres of threads here from women (and men) who have been through the same thing. All your emotions are valid. You are not pathetic for not knowing what was going on. You are not ridiculous for believing anything he says.

What I found hard was the lies. I mean - that just because he had lied to me, that not everything he said was a lie. But conversely, he would have to accept that his word is worth nothing. And it sounds like he is nowhere near that level of self awareness.

IF he were to move out and be with her - what would you do? Practically? Emotionally? You say you can't afford it - could you stay with someone? Would you want to wait and see if he changed his mind? You might not know the answers to these questions yet.

What I kept on saying was "I shoulnd't have to deal with this" - AND you shouldn't. This should be a happy time with your new baby. I'm sorry that you are going through this. But you WILL get through it.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 11/10/2010 11:16

I think that you need to get online and find out what you are entitled to in benefits - you may have a short amount of time in this house. You should make sure you are aware of what you can get, what your rights are.

jinx1 · 11/10/2010 11:27

thank you again it sounds like you've had a lot to deal with. i remember reading your thread. so glad things are back for you. yes thats how i feel. i get up with the kids, do the shopping etc and walk about thinking its just another normal day and i'm a happy person in a good relationship. then i remember i'm not and i'm angry, i'm really angry. yes the lies are the hardest thing. the fact that he could sit there and lie to me then justify it by saying well i knew how i'd react. how else would he expect me to react??? or it was only a little lie. a lie is a lie. he even lied to me on friday night about what he was doing. then i guess the guilt got him and he came clean. this is all excitiing for him, he's said as much, that she's young and exciting and he's looking at his lot (i thought it was a prettty awesome lot) and he's dissatisfied with it. part of me thinks he doesnt really know where his head is at or what he wants. i want to be able to say i'll wait til he makes up his mind but in the mean time i'm a complete mess.

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SolidGoldBrass · 11/10/2010 11:38

Jinx: there is NO POINT in trying to hang on to a relationship with this man. He will never be faithful to you. It's not possible to make someone love you and remain monogamous and trying will only wear you out and wreck your self-esteem.
It sounds to me as though he's got a bit of a madonna-whore complext - you have DC and are a mum, therefore you are a domestic servant and not 'exciting'. He is demonstrating to you clearly that he is going to do wht he likes and that your feelings don't matter - with all the stuff about him having 'rescued' you, the message is that you should be so grateful to him for it that you will obey and submit and let him do what he wants for the rest of your life.
As others said, check out your legal position WRT the house, you can live without him, whether it's a matter of getting him out of the house or moving away yourself. But the longer you hang on hoping he will change, the more miserable you make yourself.

msboogie · 11/10/2010 11:45

the thing is, as long as he knows you are there waiting at home like a doormat, he will not be able to make up his mind. You need to take that choice away from him. Whichever one of you he thinks he can't have he will immediately want.

Pack his stuff and leave it outside the front door. Tell him its over and that you and your children are worth more than being spectators to his silly infatuation with some teenaged eejit.

End it. He will come crawling back but the "normal" you had is gone forever. You can't go back in time - even if he comes back you will know he is a cheating liar. You need to find a new normal now - and it will be better reality than the awful, relentless churning anxiety of never knowing where he is or what he is doing with her.

jinx1 · 11/10/2010 11:58

i know i have to be the one who brings this to a head. i have been very submissive in this relationship but we have worked so hard to get what we have now, him earning the money and me making a home where we and the kids would be safe and happy. think thats what we've both been trying to hold onto, he doesnt want to break up the family but essentially the more 'single' he acts the further away he pushes me the harder he makes it for me to stay. if i leave it looks like i'm the one destroying it. he maintains nothing has happened with this girl. its an emotional thing, that and she's young and free and exciting. but i guess its only a matter of time isnt it, if not already. oh god. i was the love of his life one day and the next...he knows i'm hanging on waiting for him to 'come back to me' so to speak then he talks about how awful he'd feel if i 'moved on' with someone else. but he makes no effort to change what's going on. he's used to me being tearful and upset about all this. i suppose its time i grew a pair and made it clear this is not acceptable. and see where we go from there.

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msboogie · 11/10/2010 12:05

he hasn't been holding onto anything though has he? he is positively flinging it away.

And in what paralell universe would you be the one who is breaking up the family? he is having an affair with an 18 year old he picked up in the street. Are you meant to overlook that in order to preserve some ideal of everyone living under the sae roof?

Yes, you absolutley need to grow a pair (and remove his). I'm sorry love but you are being an awful doormat - and this is probably why the rat is showing you such disrespect. He knows you will put up with this crap for the sake of the family. He is only doing it becasue he knows he will get away with it.

I think you need to show him that he has seriously underestimated you.

HE is the one who is breaking up the family. And you are not allowed to move on?

Do me a favour.

jinx1 · 11/10/2010 12:12

yes msboogie you are right i have been a doormat for the sake of the family. have to go for a bit, baby needs attention. will be back on later. thanks again all x x

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/10/2010 12:31

jinx

If you continue to be a doormat you might as well have "victim here" printed on your forehead. You cannot afford to crumple now.

Your man is not worth it; leave him to his stupid 18 year old. Your relationship with this man is now well and truly over; you cannot save this if he is patently not interested in doing so.

You haven't broken up this family; he has done this solely by his very actions.

jinx1 · 11/10/2010 12:46

he's on his way home... had less time to prepare myself than i thought.

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 11/10/2010 13:46

Good luck today, jinx. I hope that you can keep things together today.

I think that it is very common to think that if you end things, you will be throwing it all away, or giving up on the relationship. Your partner has committed a relationship ending act. You may be the one to call time, but the end of the relationship would be down to him, not you. Think about how people would react. You might say that you have chucked him out, but think about following that up with him fucking an 18 year old. You are not the villain here, jinx. No-one would say that you have thrown anything away. And TBH, even if they did, it is none of their business and you don't have to tell anyone anything.

Let us know how you get on with him today, I am thinking of you.

msboogie · 11/10/2010 14:18

be strong, jinx

ScaryFucker · 11/10/2010 14:57

adding my best wishes to you jinx, you have had brilliant advice on your thread

you sound lovely, but please think of yourself here

he has slept with her, love, I think it is completely obvious

and he will continue to do so while you keep the home fires burning ie. look after his dc, cook, clean and wash his laundry

you are not a downtrodden skivvy forced to stand by while finds "excitement" elsewhere

if that is what he wants...offer it to him on a plate, but he does not get to play the resident father at the same time

he is still the children's father, but he has thrown your couple-relationship in the trash

Mindovermatter · 11/10/2010 16:00

Housing benefit
Income support
Tax credit

Get your own bank account ASAP!!!

Be prepared, no time to waste

FoghornLeghorn · 11/10/2010 16:21

Only just caught this jinx - how awful for you :(

You've had some great advise on this thread though from those who have been there and done it.

Stay strong and do whats right for you and your babies :)

sungirltan · 11/10/2010 17:34

thinking of you jinxy x

poshsinglemum · 11/10/2010 18:21

He dosn't react to ultimatums? Well boo fucking hoo. Tell him thta you don't react well to being cheated on and kick him out. Let him come crawling. If you want him back that is.

poshsinglemum · 11/10/2010 18:22

react well I mean. It sounds awful. What an arse!

phipps · 11/10/2010 18:30

Don't sit around waiting for him to decide if he wants to come back or not. You decide if you want him when he asks, say no way and start making a new life for yourself and your children.

LadyButterfly · 11/10/2010 18:38

Oh Jinx it's horrible and I know because I have been though it, not once but twice. Everyone here will say get out quick and I suspect that they are right but I just wanted to put the other side too. I have stuck with it and 18 months later we are still re-building our relationship and have peaks and troughs - luckily more of the former. It's still far from sorted but, for me, for now, this is my choice. In the future I could rue the day and wish that I had chosen to move on, who knows, but I am not under any illusions about my choice nor do I have rosy tinted specs about what the future might hold. Someone once said to me 'walk with the grace of a woman dont weep with the tears of a child' and I found this really helpful and think it help me keep some self respect. You cant make him change but you can change your own responses. Take care

LilMsUnfortunateAxeIncident · 11/10/2010 18:43

Argh, the I have her where I want her, she's trapped and ought to be grateful for me putting her there... excuse me while I go pick up someone's child for fun...

what a NOB! seriously Jinx. It's your house, you can get help with the rent, he has to pay maintenance.

Get all the documentation together you can, bank statements, his pay slips, his NI number etc e. bag up his shit and dump it outside the door.

He needs kicking out, he is wiping his feet on you cos he thinks he's entitled to do so, and that is not on.

blinks · 11/10/2010 20:34

i want to echo that you need to find out about benefits etc so that you can discuss things confidently with him.

he sounds very emotionally manipulative so try sticking only to talking to him about the practicalities of the situation. that alone will take alot of the power away from him... right now he is utterly in control because emotionally he has a hold over you. try to focus on yourself as much a possible and not what he's doing. it's pretty obvious he'll try to keep you dangling while he figures out if OW is worth leaving you for.

don't let him put you in that position. you have a choice here.