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DH said there is no way we are having another child, I feel paralysed

154 replies

grapeandlemon · 05/09/2010 07:38

Bit of background DH is considerably older than me by 20 yrs. I never felt the urge for another child after having DD due to PND and birth trauma.

For the first time this month I felt like I could do it again and want to do it again. V quickly. DD is 4 soon. I was happy only having one before this and DD is a v lovely sociable little girl, but something has clicked in me ( I am 32) and feel v strong now.
Only thing is DH says he is too old. He has 3 other children from a previous marriage and says he has had his children and can't work and support another child for the long term. Which I know is reasonable Sad.

I don't suppose there are any answers. I almost feel like splitting up with him but I know that is v unfair and I couldn't just grab another man to breed with, that's not the way it works I want a child with him as I love him.

I hate myself for not considering this with an older man but he just seems and looks so young and healthy. He explained that he can't work forever I know he is right there is just no way around it.

Just getting it out I know there are no answers just wanted some support

OP posts:
LadyBiscuit · 06/09/2010 07:31

I agree with dieztma - it would be a good idea for you to do counselling together. I left my ex because I wanted children and he didn't want any more. He was very clear about it from the outset so I understand your pain but I can also see your DH's viewpoint. If you and your DH have agreed that one was fine and you feel differently now, you are going to have to find a way to move on together.

The problem with having more children or not is that it's something you can't compromise over :(

diddl · 06/09/2010 07:45

Maria- I don´t know why you find my post so surprising.

Maybe I worded it badly.

Lulu has put a similar thing & you have agreedConfused

Maria2007loveshersleep · 06/09/2010 07:51

Diddl, sorry didn't mean to sound weird, maybe I worded it badly myself. Just wanted to say that it's a bit sad to assume that just because one starts a relationship with an older man, that means one has to completely give up on having children (even as a possibility). But anyway, on principle I agree with your point, there things are hard, compromises do happen, so it all depends on the particular couple & what balance they'll manage to create so that both are reasonably happy.

My whole point is that it's worth trying to be creative with solutions so that both partners are as happy as possible with the outcome. I don't believe it's always a case of 'yes or no', there can be other solutions- as I said, one of them being the younger parent taking on more day to day responsibility so that the older parent who doesn't want another child doesn't feel as burdened. If this extends to financial responsibility that too can help (but not sure if this can happen in the OP's situation).

skidoodly · 06/09/2010 08:18

Hmm, I suppose if you're going to raise such utter cunts that they consider caring about their ageing parents to be equivalent to slavery, then probably best not to have too many, if any at all.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 06/09/2010 08:25

Wow, skidoody -- that's rather offensive.

Maria2007loveshersleep · 06/09/2010 08:28

'utter cunts'?! Shock

skidoodly · 06/09/2010 08:32

No more offensive than the suggestion made by more than one poster that people who care for their elderly parents are no more than slaves and unpaid carers.

The world can do without more sociopaths who view their parents in that way.

Maria2007loveshersleep · 06/09/2010 08:34

I agree with what you're trying to say skidoodly, I agree completely, but your way of saying it could be improved, surely :).

skidoodly · 06/09/2010 08:35

It's also deeply offensive to diminish slavery by likening it to normal family responsibility.

Kathyjelly · 06/09/2010 08:40

I have a DS, born when his father was 56. My DP already has children in their twenties by a previous marriage.

I accepted, when I realised I was pregnant, that it will be me who provides for our son in the main, because my DP will retire when DS is eight. It was with that fact clearly in mind that I decided to go ahead with the pregnancy.

That means, I cannot be a stay at home mum. Of course my DP will do everything he can to support us, but I have always known it will be me who sees DS through university if that is what he wants.

If the mum is willing to accept that, and get back to her career quickly, then there isn't really a problem.

And btw I find the whole thought of having kids to look after me when I retire as completely weird and vaguely offensive.

Maria2007loveshersleep · 06/09/2010 08:45

Kathyjelly, it's not about 'looking after you' physically though! It's about the fact that often things happen in life, illnesses, deaths, financial difficulties- all sorts of things- and for some people (not for all) it's helpful to share this with a sibling. Nobody here has said someone should have a child in order for the child to look after them in their old age! FGS.

Bonsoir · 06/09/2010 08:59

I know a lot of second families, probably because I am in one myself, and, almost without exception, where the father already has two or more children from a first marriage, the second family is an only child. Whereas fathers who only have one child from their first marriage don't seem to mind having two or more children with wife no 2!

Children are expensive.

expatinscotland · 06/09/2010 09:11

'What? The OP is 32: was 28 when she had her daughter. Surely she shouldn't have accepted- unless she wanted to- at the ripe old age of 28 that she wouldn't have any children at all, just because she married an 'older man' (not all that old actually! He was 48 when he had his daughter).'

A) The OP has a child; B) plenty of threads on here with 48-year-old woman who can have no more children and 28-year old man and nearly all, 'If he loves you enough, he'll forgo having children'.

How is it different if the man is older? He may be biologically able to father more children, but that doesn't mean it's the wisest of decisions, particularly because as pointed out, children are not cheap.

And people's energy levels vary. Some 52-year-old's are full of vigour. Still others are very very wealthy and can afford to outsource much of the work involved in early childhood.

Others are in different circumstances entirely.

sorrento56 · 06/09/2010 12:30

Thanks expat. I have a crazy month a head of me so I will go next month and see if he will change them. Thanks again.

Lulumaam · 06/09/2010 14:01

I do find it totally unnerving, probably because it is the total opposite to the way I think, and to DH too, that people are quite lacksadasical almost in their approach to having any/more children -

you'll regret not having more, not not having more

you'll find a way

he'll/she'll come around to it

it's not fair for the child to be an only

you can make sacrifices - financially, for your career, in your lifestyle to accomodate

but waht about quality of life for all ?

age, finances, how many other step and full siblings there are matters

how much money is coming in matters, especially if the partner is on the cusp of retirement

how much you have to sacrifice does matter, ending up resentful is totally unhealthy

thre is something ot be said for being thankful for what you ahve and appreciating it, rather than chasing a dream that does not have much chance of coming through

you can't compromise on having a child

you either do or don't

but flying by the seat of your pants and hoping it will be fine is just not the way to do it IMO

ColdComfortFarm · 06/09/2010 14:08

I just want to say the little girl here does not have 'step siblings' - she has siblings. Half siblings if you want to be mean and petty in your description, but in most families, they are just called brothers and sisters.
And I find the idea of having children with the aim of creating several people to 'wipe your arse five times a day' at some unspecified time in the future, pretty grim and wrong. Do people really think like this?

Lulumaam · 06/09/2010 14:26

i have never really factored that in to having children. no-one i know has ever articulated that to me either

expatinscotland · 06/09/2010 15:00

I think the same way, ColdComfort. This little girl has 3 brothers and sisters, IMO.

QS · 06/09/2010 15:15

Nobody has said that one should have children to use as slave labour, or as unpaid carers in the future. But some posters have rather bizarrely twisted it in this way.
I suspect that those of you who don?t get it, or take offense, you are looking at it from the wrong angle, from the parent view point, not the son/daughter viewpoint. The grown up responsibly daughter/son in you will WANT to do the best for your parents in old age. The mother/father in you will not want for your children to care for you.
I did suggest that when the inevitable happens, it is good to share the responsibility for elderly and frail parents with a sibling. This from MY perspective as a daughter, not from my perspective on my own children, as a parent.
It is a natural progression of life, you grow old, you might need care, you die. You will most likely become a worry for your children whether you want to or not, because they have been well raised, and they care about you. Granted that many people dont give a flying fuck about their elderly parents, which I find rather sad, but there you go.
At that point in life, in my opinion it is nice to have a sibling to share the worry and the burden with. It is neither required, nor expected that that we care for our parents, yet we want to. I am possibly generalizing, but because I care for my parents, their wellbeing and their happyness, yet in the cold light of day, honest to God, where we are now, much as I love them they are a burden. Therefore, I assume my own children will care about me, but I will be a burden. It does not bear thinking about, but there it is.
When my grandmother developed Alzheimers, my mum had six siblings, they all pulled together and helped get grandma into a nursing home, get care for grandpa, sell the house and do all the formalities. When my cousin?s dad developed Alzheimers, he as a lonely child lived through a nightmare lasting him 5 years before he managed to get proper care for his parents. In this time he became the father of two children, one of whom had a heart problem. Did his parents want this for him? Not at all, not if you had asked his parents prior to old age and illness set in. He would speak to me on the phone saying ?I have the worst of both worlds, sick and elderly parents, and young children. It is impossible to combine the two, and yet here I am all on my own.? I did not quite get it then. I get it now, when I am in a very similar position as him.
It is not about raising children to become our carers, but realizing that our children may end up that way, despite us not wanting that for them at all.

This debate has possibly not had a place on this thread, but discussions sometimes move in different directions as topics come up, and other issues are raised. This was quite possibly a topic which had best been left on the side, as it has not been useful to the op. It does not mean it couldn?t be said, though.

QS · 06/09/2010 15:16

Sorry, I am repeating the below with paragraphs, it was impossible to read.

Nobody has said that one should have children to use as slave labour, or as unpaid carers in the future. But some posters have rather bizarrely twisted it in this way.

I suspect that those of you who don?t get it, or take offense, you are looking at it from the wrong angle, from the parent view point, not the son/daughter viewpoint. The grown up responsibly daughter/son in you will WANT to do the best for your parents in old age. The mother/father in you will not want for your children to care for you.

I did suggest that when the inevitable happens, it is good to share the responsibility for elderly and frail parents with a sibling. This from MY perspective as a daughter, not from my perspective on my own children, as a parent.

It is a natural progression of life, you grow old, you might need care, you die. You will most likely become a worry for your children whether you want to or not, because they have been well raised, and they care about you. Granted that many people dont give a flying fuck about their elderly parents, which I find rather sad, but there you go.

At that point in life, in my opinion it is nice to have a sibling to share the worry and the burden with. It is neither required, nor expected that that we care for our parents, yet we want to. I am possibly generalizing, but because I care for my parents, their wellbeing and their happyness, yet in the cold light of day, honest to God, where we are now, much as I love them they are a burden. Therefore, I assume my own children will care about me, but I will be a burden. It does not bear thinking about, but there it is.

When my grandmother developed Alzheimers, my mum had six siblings, they all pulled together and helped get grandma into a nursing home, get care for grandpa, sell the house and do all the formalities.

When my cousin?s dad developed Alzheimers, he as a lonely child lived through a nightmare lasting him 5 years before he managed to get proper care for his parents. In this time he became the father of two children, one of whom had a heart problem. Did his parents want this for him? Not at all, not if you had asked his parents prior to old age and illness set in. He would speak to me on the phone saying ?I have the worst of both worlds, sick and elderly parents, and young children. It is impossible to combine the two, and yet here I am all on my own.? I did not quite get it then. I get it now, when I am in a very similar position as him.

It is not about raising children to become our carers, but realizing that our children may end up that way, despite us not wanting that for them at all.

This debate has possibly not had a place on this thread, but discussions sometimes move in different directions as topics come up, and other issues are raised. This was quite possibly a topic which had best been left on the side, as it has not been useful to the op. It does not mean it couldn?t be said, though.

jabberwocky · 06/09/2010 16:08

QS, a very thoughtful post and I hope some of the other posters who have taken the point that some are advocating having children solely to be caretakers Confused will take the time to read it and consider what some of us have said.

I believe I was one of the first to kick this off by saying "I grew up as the daughter of two only children. My parents really struggled with all of the decisions and responsibility of taking care of their parents. I really did not want ds1 to shoulder that burden alone." I did not in any way mean that ds2 was conceived strictly as a means to take care of me in my old age. I desperately wanted a second child and that is the reason I had him full stop. But having grown up with a mother and father who were both only children also played a part in my desire to have more than one.

Coolfonz · 06/09/2010 16:09

I can empathise with the OPs fella. I'm a 46 year old bloke with a one year old and i love him to absolute pieces etc...all the cliches you can think of. Like Homer dancing through a field of pansies eating doughnuts...

But I absolutely do not want another one.

I'm fucking exhausted, i've got a knackered body from the lifting/carrying, knackered fingers, shoulders, back, knackered mind from the lack of sleep (and our boy sleeps til gone 8am at the moment, God help me if he was a bad sleeper) and so on.

Having a kid can never be i want it's got to be we want doesn't it?

ColdComfortFarm · 06/09/2010 16:26

I strongly doubt my unmarried brother will play any part in looking after my mother IF she ever became dependent (my father died suddenly without ever needing any care) but I have a husband, don't I? And this little girl has three siblings to support her (or not, as we know that siblings certainly do not always pull together to care for elderly parents). It is entirely likely that when the OP is old (gosh, bet she's just loving all these doomsday scenarios!) she may well not need this kind of help. Old people's homes are jammed with people with adult children. I am also baffled by people in marriages who say they had to deal with things 'all alone' - in my experience wives and husbands help each other out with family stuff.
To me, it sounds pretty unhelpful to tell someone who will have just one child (albeit a child with three siblings) that they should have another one just in case they may grow to be a burden on their existingchild in 50 or 60 years time! It's not likely to make them feel any better, is it? As it happens, she would like a baby, for its own sake, not as insurance policy, which is completely understandable, but is she seriously supposed to tell her husband that he should father another child and take on a commitment he feels to old to cope with so she will have a choice of arse-wipers /their youngest will be able to part of an arse-wiping rota in half a century's time? I doubt it would help!Goodness me, you might as well say to someone in this situation that they shouldn't have another child in case it is born disabled and is a lifelong responsibility to an old parent who won't be able to manage. I think in this particular case, both the poster and her husband have valid thoughts and feelings, and I hope they can work it out.

piratecat · 06/09/2010 16:37

op, if this is a sudden urge of broodiness, maybe your dh is abit shocked by it?

jabberwocky · 06/09/2010 16:41

Let me be clear on this. We are all formed by our own experiences growing up. I have shared mine since I know it influenced me in some way. But I will repeat again - I had ds2 because I desperately wanted him and that was the only thing that really mattered to me at the time and the only thing that matters to me now.