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The Braves Babes Battle Bus - NOT stopping at the pub!!

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Mouseface · 03/09/2010 18:31

Hello Smile

I'm Mouse. I've been sober for over a month now, thanks to the support of posters on this and previous threads.

No matter where you are up to with your sobriety, you'll find someone here who has been in your shoes!

Come and meet the other Brave Babes........

And here are the other threads for those who want to read them.

JWN's original thread (and the reason we are all here!)

Thread two

Thread three

Thread four

Thread five

Thread six

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Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 14:49

Oops...meant to quote the above post in mine. It is so true, all of it. I am guilty of secretly refilling my wine glass, watching DP's glass and getting irritated that it's taking him so long to finish it. I know his drinking is "normal" and mine isn't as there is no way I'd go up to bed leaving a half finished glass as he does.
I have been known (in fact more often than not) to finish the wine off the next morning. I feel shit but relieved admitting this. I have kidded myself for too long that although most people wouldn't do this, it's not too bad because I don't pour another one out a 1030 in the morning.
I am prepared to accept I have a drink problem (not sure about an alcoholic) but I really want to moderate my drinking.
I used to be able to do it.

Am I deluding myself?
Also, sorry about the lack of group support I'm providing. I think you're all wonderful and I am so glad I found this thread. Sadly I am at the start of the journey and I'm too anxious/depressed and possibly in too much denial to be much use to anyone else right now. Hopefully that will change.

MIFLAW · 07/09/2010 14:57

"I really want to moderate my drinking.
I used to be able to do it.
Am I deluding myself?"

Probably.

MIFLAW · 07/09/2010 15:07

Can I ask something, just out of curiosity?

Lots of people, on here and elsewhere, in real life, on the internet and in fiction, say "I am/am not an alcoholic." And, when it comes down to defining other people, it's even more interesting - I bet there are STILL people out there who don't think I'm one!

I would love to hear everyone else's definition of what being an alcoholic means to see if we all think the same or if there are big variations.

I'm happy to start - I would say that, if you drink too much, bad things happen, and yet you nevertheless drink again - and again - it is a pretty strong indication that something is not right.

Or, if you notice that all your friends and peers are drinking less and less, but you are drinking more and more (the same friends, I mean - not the new friends you met at the pub!) then that is unusual.

It's hard - even writing this, I am loathe to use "the A word" in case it upsets someone!

Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 15:12

My grandmother was an alcoholic. She drank Newcastle Brown or vodka in a tea-cup, pretending it was tea. She drank all day every day. When we were children and she came to visit, she'd stop up late after everyone had gone to bed and raided the drinks cabinet. She slurred her words all the time, repeated herself, rang my mother up at all hours of the day and night asking her crazy, paranoid questions.
I don't drink all day every day. Once I start I have a lot of difficulty in stopping but I can still get out of bed and start the day without a drink.
My last statement is (I guess) what I consider an alcoholic does.

MsGee · 07/09/2010 15:13

MIFLAW, its an interesting point - I never wanted to use the word alcoholic (and the last post was the first time I did). Even when I first came on here.

I used to think that it meant drinking two bottles of vodka per day, staggering around the streets, drinking before a certain time and many other things I didn't associate with myself.

Now, I don't worry about the label. It was stopping me from admitting that I wasn't in control. (See progress? I do listen to you MIFLAW!!)

Now I guess I am an alcoholic - although I can't think of any friends or family IRL who would agree. I drank too much, I hid how much I drank and lied about it. I felt bad in the morning and said 'no more' but that night I wouldn't be able to stop having a glass of wine, because you know - I'd earned it, life is hard, blah blah. And then I couldn't stop the second glass or more.

I could say "I have a an unhealthy, disfunctional and uncontrolled relationship with alcohol which made me unhappy and was harming my life" but really - how different is that to an alcoholic? And its a bit of a gobful.

Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 15:14

..in that alcoholics drink first thing in the morning and continue till they pass out.

RedMoomin · 07/09/2010 15:16

I am an alcoholic there is no doubt in my mind.

I think that there are lots of different drinking patterns so it prevents people from thinking that they are 'A'. (I never drink in the morning, I only drink wine etc.)

I think that it's continuing to drink knowing that it's not going to end well despite all the previous evidence. To me it's not about what people are drinking or when it's about how they are drinking.

I have no idea if that makes sense!

RedMoomin · 07/09/2010 15:18

MsGee Grin to the 'bit of a gobful'!

I was always keen to stress that I had an 'alcohol problem' or I was a 'heavy drinker'. No, I am an alcoholic!

RedMoomin · 07/09/2010 15:21

"Once I start I have a lot of difficulty in stopping but I can still get out of bed and start the day without a drink." lucil - me too! I know that I am alkie - however the labels don't matter.

MsGee · 07/09/2010 15:26

Red, that makes perfect sense to me. I think that that is what my very long post a few pages ago tried to say. You managed it without a cast of thousands! Envy

Eeek, is that the time... right off to my new house to be to meet with builder and measure important things (curtains, smutty people!). Then time to pick up DD, let her amuse me with her latest stories and begin the evening battle routine.

back laters G x

RedMoomin · 07/09/2010 15:28

Thanks MsGee! Have fun with the builder! (I am not good at the smut I'm afraid.) Might have gone by the time you get back so I hope that your evening goes well with littleMsGee!

MIFLAW · 07/09/2010 15:43

Lucil

I rarely drank in the morning. It is a moot point whether I drank until I passed out every day - most days I did pass out (though I called it sleep as I timed it to arrive at bedtime) but, while waiting to pass out, I also had a full time job and was a voracious reader, i.e. what some people would call a hobby.

No doubt in my mind that I am na alcoholic.

Also interesting, with older alcoholics, to find out what they were like when they were our age. Even tramps weren't born sleeping under a hedge, you know!

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venusandmars · 07/09/2010 16:04

"I drank too much, I hid how much I drank and lied about it. I felt bad in the morning and said 'no more' but that night I wouldn't be able to stop having a glass of wine, because you know - I'd earned it, life is hard, blah blah. And then I couldn't stop the second glass or more.

I could say "I have a an unhealthy, disfunctional and uncontrolled relationship with alcohol which made me unhappy and was harming my life" but really - how different is that to an alcoholic?"

Yes, I'm exactly with Msgee. Your description is spot on for me (and I spotted you describing yourself as alcoholic Smile - good for you).

I tend not to describe myself as alcoholic when talking to other people, because so many people would be confused by that - partly because they have the concept that an alcoholic drinks gut-rot booze from the moment they get up, and partly because I have been terribly good at hiding it.

But I have no doubt in my mind that I share the same mental illness that a down-and-out, 18 hour-a-day boozer does. I hope that I will be able to arrest the consequences of my disease by recognising it at an earlier stage.

I compare this with my dm who is a diabetic. My mother knows this and knows how she has to live as a consequence. She can control the impact of her diabetes by not eating sugar, by eating regularly, by keeping her weight down, by taking exercise and keeping a look out for signs of deterioration. By doing that, she has not needed insulin injections, she has not significantly reduced the blood flow to her extremeties and had to have a leg amputated, she has not suffered from blindness, and she is still alive. This is in direct comparison with her sister who was diagnosed with diabetes at the same time. They were both diabetic, the way in which each chose to live affected the way that disease played out in their respective lives (and death).

MIFLAW · 07/09/2010 16:06

Also, swallowed, I think it depends on how much there is in your life for it to affect.

I now realise that a lot of my drinking patterns - not just the quantities, but the thinking - as a student were extremely unhealthy. But because I had no job, no children, no long-term relationship and very few committed hours in the day, and was surrounded by other people in the same boat, it really didn't matter.

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jesuswhatnext · 07/09/2010 16:50

hi all! Grin REALLY GOOD DAY HERE!!, looks like it is in the bag! N&Ts are on me! Grin

im an alcoholic, i dont have a problem with saying it, i have a problem trying to live as one though!, alcohol took my nice life and turned it into shit! now, i tell it fuck the fuck off and bingo! nice life returns! Grin

dont know if that is a definition of an alkie, but it works for me - simple and to the point! Grin

off to totter round sainsburys in my lucky shoes!

laters babes!!! Grin

RedMoomin · 07/09/2010 16:50

Bye Babes, hope you all have fantastic (sober!) evenings!

Catch you all tomorrow x

Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 18:48

I've given in and had 2 large glasses of red in close sucession. I could blame stress, the kids, my inlaws but I'm only blaming myself for being weak. I can't have anymore as there's none left now.
I'm not glad about that fact but glad the decision to drink more has been removed. I would never be able to sneak out for any. House full of people.
Am sorry for being so pathetic. Sad

Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 18:57

I could have tried to use any load of crap as justification to drink. You and I both know I just wanted to.
Tomorrow's another day...can't keep saying that indefinately though, can I? Not whilst knocking back large, desperate glasses of wine.
Shit!!

Mouseface · 07/09/2010 19:16

Luci

Can I ask you a question?

Why do you feel the need to drink? What triggers your 'fuck it I'm drinking'?

Don't answer if you don't want to but there must be something that makes you pour that glass and then drink it? Right?

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Lucilastic · 07/09/2010 19:28

Mouse, the trigger today was my FIL who is a revolting, ignorant, horrible man. We are living with him and MIL temporarily due to debt problems and he told me I was "doing it all wrong" with the girls yet again. This is the man who by his own admission had very little to do with his own kid's upbringings. In fact he left their mother for DP's mother when his youngest was 4 months old.
Anyway, blah blah blah...all irritating stuff. That was the trigger tonight. It's also a thinly disguised excuse.

Mouseface · 07/09/2010 19:33

luci - BINGFUCKINGO!!!! 'a thinly disguised excuse'

At least you can see that. Smile It's good you have no booze left. I sympathise. Really, I do.

Wasindi - did you miss me? Wink Been busy and off again now for a bit. Back soon and will catch up.

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