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Breaking contact with OM

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howdiditcometothis · 09/08/2010 12:53

Back story here

I feel like I'm having a breakdown. I've taken some time away and made the decision to work on my marriage -it is not bad enough to justify ending it. I know this means no contact whatsoever with OM. He says that he understands and supports the decision I've made but thinks we can maintain a friendship. I can't do that - I'm in love with him and I can't pretend to be his friend and ignore those intense feelings. I'm posting here to stop me replying to him or picking up the phone. I know if we talk, I won't feel able to do it. I would be so grateful if somebody would tell me how they have done this. I feel desperate. I need to switch these feelings off and forget about him. Somebody must have done this successfully before. PLease if you have dealt with a situation like this, please help me to end this. I need to get my life back on track.

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loves2walk · 12/08/2010 20:53

You do sound a lot strong now, so maybe you have worked through the worst of the pain.

Even thinking of getting a short term let is a positive step - not actually doing it necessarily, but just thinking of it. It sounds as though you're taking some control over this, whereas before you sounded too full of despair to think of strategies.

I hope you continue feeling more positive.

loves2walk · 12/08/2010 20:54

stronger, sorry, I never 'preview' but know I should!

londonartemis · 12/08/2010 21:44

I think it sounds like you are at a turning point. This week has been terrible for you, but I think you will see a big difference in how you are coping over the next week. Stick with it!!

kittya · 12/08/2010 22:47

Hold back on the booze though, if you can. It will make you more depressed. Do you drink with your DH?

ilovemyteddy · 12/08/2010 23:00

Don't think of yourself as a fuck-up. You're at a crossroads at the moment, and just need to decide which path to take. I too have a team of people to manage at work, and I know exactly what you mean about having to carry on as normal, and no one at work suspecting a thing. I threw myself into my work when my affair ended, and it was helpful to take my mind off the pain of OM no longer being in my life.

If you are unable to get actual physical space away from DH then maybe you can find the time to do some reading. I found 'Self Matters' by Phil McGraw a brilliant book which gave me some perspective about where I was at that moment, and where I needed to be. Andrew Marshall has written a couple of books about relationships - "I love you, but I'm not in love with you" and "How can I ever trust you again."

I think the key thing is to give yourself time to deal with all the things that have happened in the past few weeks, but not to stand still and do nothing. It's easy to run around like a headless chicken trying to keep busy so that you don't have time to think. It's also easy to wallow and wish that you could wave a magic wand and this would all be fixed. Take the time that you need, but keep moving forwards.

howdiditcometothis · 12/08/2010 23:09

Screaming row with DH. He walked out. Came back slamming doors etc. Sat up in DD room until he calmed down. I can't do this anymore. Its my fault but I just need some time without drama or hurt away from veryone to get my head together. I cannot see the wood for the trees.

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mummylin2495 · 12/08/2010 23:15

is it possible to have a day to yourself tomorrow so you can just go walking / shopping whatever you like or even just go and sit in the park and try and think things through in your head?

MiddleAgedNamechanger · 12/08/2010 23:31

just checking name change has worked

MiddleAgedNamechanger · 12/08/2010 23:51

Ok...

howdiditcometothis I do believe that the OM has fixated on you so much as a reaction to the breakdown of his marriage.

He's feeling cut adrift, bereft, lonely even...

You have done so well to resist the temptation to have sex with him. I'm not that strong, I'm afraid. I'm married and have been having an affair with a married man since the end of last year.

We met and became friends about 18 months ago. Both of have been with our partners over 20 years (25 years for me!)

We kidded ourselves that we could have a sexual relationship that would stay separate from our friendship.

It doesn't work.

I can identify so much with what you've said - constant thoughts of him disrupting both home and work.

Sometimes I feel quite unhinged - it's pathetic. I can't break away from him because we're both involved in the same sport as our sons. I don't want to break away anyhow, but it would be more sensible to stop the physical side of things.

Sex is quite a rarity - sometimes weeks go by without an opportunity, though we have managed a few nights away. We're very careful with e-mails and so on - rarely sending anything at all personal - it's all connected with sport. Nor do we have long phone conversations or send hundreds of texts.

So really my advice is that you are better to stay apart now - the physical release of having sex wouldn't have reduced your desire to be with this man - quite the reverse.

Far better to cut all contact now- you'll be saving yourself more pain in the long run.

howdiditcometothis · 13/08/2010 13:17

Middle - I think deep down that you must be right because it is a bit of a fixation. And when I think of previous times a while ago when I said enough, it has to end. He confessed to just feeling very low and adrift and scared of losing me on top of everything else. I suppose if I'm around, he can rationalise the end of the marriage to himself a bit more and if not, well he's in an ok rented property in a nice area (but not the lovely home he had) on his own half of the time and when he's with the kids the rest of the time, it's great but they are going through the mill and trying to setlle in a strange new environment so it's not easy. And he has nobody to share those issues with.

He did apologie profusely though for being needy within a day or so of begging me not to end it. And he always says that he is strong and will be fine and I should never feel pressured into sticking around on those grounds.

The marriage (from what I've been TOLD) was broken well before this happened. They had not slept in the same room for 2 years, didn't socialise together, leading separate lives except in relation to parenting. He is sad though that it ended like he did. I know he is very hurt that his ex won't have a cup of tea when she's dropping the children off or chat to him. I suppose that's the outcome when it ends like it did. He regrets more than anything that he didn't have the balls to end it sooner. She was the one to end it but obviously after months, years of him being disengaged and not dealing with stuff. And then after the event of ending it, the relationship which he had with me came to light (which t that time was pretty new). And of course his ex was outraged and hurt. I hope that in time things will get better for them both. The sad thing is that I exchanged some messages with her and she was so dignified that I felt all the more ashamed of allowing this thing to develop. I am sure that in other circumstances, we would get along well. She even emailed me at the end of the exchange to say that I shoudln't feel as though I'd split up a family as there were many many problems with the marriage. I remain gobsmacked by that - I think it was an incredibly selfless thing to do.

Anyway I digress. Sorry - it's become a cathartic thing to do to write this stuff down and I know it's very very boring. Selfishly it has become my outlet for some of this hurt.

Middle - I symapthise with you so much. I have often felt unhinged during this crazy time in my life. That feeling of being out of control is sickening. Don't beat yourself up too much about giving into temptation on the physical side. I can see how it would happen. there is a part of me that thinks the emotional attchment is almost a bigger betrayal. And although I haven't slept with OM, the fact that I love him is the biggest betrayal to my marriage I think. Which is why I continue to try and wean myself off contact and concentrate at home.

This is made harder by the cold war at home. I am worn down and drained. Broken crockery, doors slamming, verbal attacks, being shoved out of the way. I'm very worried about my DH - this isn't really like him and I know it is my fault but it is pushing me away. And of course, who is there to comfort me?

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kittya · 13/08/2010 14:38

I just think its strange that you have all these feelings and you never even slept together.

I actually think its sounds abit OTT to be honest!!!

You need to step away and stop over analysing things, he sounds wet to me. Oh, and stop drinking and analysing more, no good will come of it!!!! Smile

ilovemyteddy · 13/08/2010 15:36

I have a dear friend who had an emotional affair, didn't sleep with OM and felt exactly the same way about him as you do about your OM, Howdi. My OM and I 'fell in love' before we had sex too.

Middle - you could be me writing a couple of years ago. I do sympathise with your current situation.

Howdi - I am so sorry that you ended up rowing with DH and that things got physical. I know you've said it's impossible to spend some time away from him but is there any way you can make this happen so that you can both gather your thoughts and work out where to go from here? It seems to me that there is work to be done on both sides if your marriage is going to be improved.

loves2walk · 13/08/2010 16:29

That sounds terrible howdi - on the home front. You say this behaviour isn't really like your H but I'm sure you said in your first post that he had been angry before and thrown plates during a row.

It seems he either bottles up his feelings and won't tell you anything, or you get anger to a degree where you can't discuss it. Being pushed around is not on whatever the level of animosity during the row. Is he apologetic today?

It will take two of you being totally committed to making your relationship work, for it to work. It sounds as though you have that intent, but does he? Does he really want to work things out - I'd be forcing him somehow to say before then working out together how to go about getting support, or time together or whatever you need.

At the point your told him about OM and he went all quiet without much of a reaction, I'd have been worried about how much he valued the relationship. You know, when my H was involved with someone, I was distraught, scared, angry, worried, all sorts of emotions and eventually those came out and we confronted it. If he went all cold and refused to talk about it, how are you to feel reassured that he cares?

kittya · 13/08/2010 17:33

I think any man in his situation would find this difficult to handle tbh.

Alot of men wouldve walked away, they arent as forgiving as us are they?

midlifecrises · 13/08/2010 19:19

I have read your story and have been through something quite similar, still going through it. I would really like to exchange some thoughts about this with you and I think we might be able to help each other. If you message me privately I will respond. Hope to hear from you!

happiestblonde · 14/08/2010 20:31

Howdi - sorry if I've missed the point here but why aren't you with this man if you love him and it hurts this much to not speak to him for a day...? I know if I had to do this I would die inside, I just couldn't.

I really hope you're okay it sounds such a hideously awfully hard thing to do :( xxx

howdiditcometothis · 14/08/2010 22:25

Hi again loves2walk, you're right that things are not great at home. I was frightened the other night but if it comes down to it, I won't just take it. And, if it gets violent, I have my answer and it's over. I honestly don't think it will come to that. I think the anger is to do with my confession and him not expressing the hurt and anger at the time. I don't know but it's all a bit weird.

I'm still regrettably in touch with OM but only one call (no texts, emails etc) in the last couple of days. We talked for an hour but it wasn't intense or heavy. Catching up. I felt much better - like we've both got to the same place and know all the romantic stuff is over now.

midlifecrises - I don't know how to CAT, perhaps you can put some thoughts down here.

happiestblonde - I have to do this - I'm married and I have to try and make it work. I know what you mean though.

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kittya · 14/08/2010 23:03

are you and your dh going for counselling?

I wish you could have some time away by yourself. I hope it works out for you both but Im scared your dh is going to have the odd outburst every now and then. I dont know any man that would take it lying down.

Even just a catch up chat might be giving the OM false hope. Please be careful. He might like to feel needed and it might just be a way of getting under your skin again.

TheLadyEvenstar · 15/08/2010 00:17

Howdi, I hope you are ok!!!

MabelMay · 15/08/2010 01:31

howdi - I've been reading your post with interest because I actually came on here to post a not too dissimilar message, or even resurrect my old thread in which I talked about being on the precipice of having an affair.

I haven't had an affair, I have tried to cut off contact with the OM whilst I try and sort out life/relationships with DP. But I have found it so very, very painful and hard. I can't stop thinking about him. I feel bereft. I don't know how much longer I'm going to feel like this. I don't think I can carry on with the no contact if it continues to occupy my thoughts in this way. But, anyway, as you can see - no solutions for you I'm afraid but I completely sympathise.
Also, agree with you that posting on mumsnet is a good outlet for these emotions. It's stopped me spilling my heart out to OM on a number of occasions.
ilovemyteddy was very sympathetic to my "plight". As you can see, ilovemyteddy, I'm not doing so well...

I'll keep watching with interest as perhaps I can take some good advice from this as well.

All the best
MM x

ilovemyteddy · 15/08/2010 12:28

Mabel - sorry to hear that you are still struggling. It really does take a while to get over OM, and it is really painful. But trust me when I tell you that the pain of having an affair (particularly because your OM is leaving the country at the end of the year) is a hundred times worse. And as Middle says " the physical release of having sex wouldn't have reduced your desire to be with this man - quite the reverse."

How are things with your DP? If I were you, THAT'S what I'd be concentrating on. From your posts on your thread he seems to have been undermining your self-confidence for a long time now. That's the issue I'd be dealing with, if I were you. In fact my lack of self-esteem (not caused by DH but by things in my past) was the catalyst for my affair; but it took a few sessions of counselling to work that out, and to deal with it.

Howdi - what exactly is it that is stopping you from leaving DH? From re-reading your posts all I can see is a committment to the institution of marriage, rather than to your actual marriage. Forgive me if I've misread this.

Whatever it is, you are not making things any easier for yourself by continuing to contact OM. If you want to work on your marriage then you have to cease contact with OM in order to concentrate on sorting things out with DH. You will drive yourself round the bend if you try and recommit to your marriage whilst your heart and head are somewhere else. Believe me, I've been there.

boogiewoogie · 15/08/2010 16:02

Hello Howdid,I've not read your back story but have read the first few posts.

I won't beat around the bush. If you are sincere about repairing the fissures in your marriage then you must cut off all contact with the OM. You probably know that yourself and I admire your honesty when posting.

Please do not fool yourselves into thinking that you can be friends with the OM as well as a good wife to your dh. As long as you are in contact with the OM, as long as you respond to his manipulative, emotionally blackmailing messages "I will accept whatever decision you make", "I will sacrifice anything to make you happy" blah blah blah, he will continue to find reasons to contact you and persuade you to be with him.

You certainly can't switch off your feelings for him but that does not mean that you have to go along with them either. You have something called free will and it is up to you to decide your future with either man. It's all or nothing. You need to be fair to all parties concerned.

Lack of communication will send out a strong message to the OM. If he really is worth something and if he truly loves you then he would have left you alone.

Good luck.

IWouldNotCouldNotWithAGoat · 15/08/2010 16:38

I have never known of a guy to make these kind of over the top protestations who turned out to be a genuine type of guy.

Sounds like he is enjoying all the drama.

howdiditcometothis · 15/08/2010 19:25

No contact now from either side of any kind since the call and I feel surprisingly ok. I left my phones at home and we went out for the day as a family - on a bit of a whim really. I read something in the paper about a good day out for little children and convinced DH to come along too. And we got along ok.

It feels like a positive first step and I'm determined now to get through it without caving in on a day by day basis. I really don't want to split up our little family before putting my heart into trying to fix it. And I think that this is THE test of the relationship. I hope if I get to the other side of this, then things will get better and we will emerge stronger for it. I might be deluded but it's what I hope.

I know that lots of people have suggested on here that OM is an idiot and there is something in me which would like to believe that so that I could close it all down more easily but he isn't and there is a very genuine connection between us. But I know that I have to take that as the amazing thing it was and put it to the back of my mind and treat it as a bittersweet memory - something beyond the pale. Perhaps it was sent to test my commitment. Who knows?

I actually watched something on tv last night for an hour. That might seem a weird thing to say but ever since this thing started up I have not had any attention span/concentration at all. I have been completely consumed by it. It feels like another step forward.

MabelMay - you are doing really well if you have not been in touch. Keep going. You do not want to have to start at square one all over again - you will only have to live through all that hurt again.

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happiestblonde · 15/08/2010 21:10

I don't really understand but I think you're amazing to be able to do this. I really hope it gets easier for you and you and your DH can sort things out x