Archers thread #195: Run, Amber, run! Discuss The Archers here.

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Emma spoke sense to George and Amber tonight. Goodness only knows where this storyline is going. I can't see George being Father of the Year. Oh dear.

Over to you!

The name Ruairí literally means red-haired king in Irish.

I would be 💔 if it were Brian - he is such a fantastic character. But maybe Charles Collingwood wants to retire and they do it by putting Brian in jail? No..... I'm still not convinced.

And rufous means red - but Rufus Sewell does not have red hair.

I was going to describe Ruairidh earlier as something of a cross between young versions of Ben Wishaw and Rufus Sewell.

Anyway, you can say what you like. You will not change my mental image of Ruairidh - tallish, slender, DARK hair.

Jolene - broadish, buxom, long, curly DARK hair!

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I did. Not a typo: a mento.

Yes, but Siobhán chose it before he was born, and I don't think hair colour shows on a scan?

Oooh Rauri done it.

I knew Brian was covering for someone! He was just that bit too smooth and easily saying yes it was me.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

Ruari is an appalling hypocrite.

So it was the gigolo that did it, well well.
what is actually shocking is that Brian is willing to g to do the same thing to a man who is innocent of the crime, as George was willing to do with Alice, let someone else take the rap.
I remember, donkey's years ago, all over London there were scrawls on bridges and buildings, 'George Davis is innocent' (think that's the right name). IIRC the man was a criminal, but his wife thought he was innocent of the crime for which he was in prison. I remember my mother saying, 'well, if he didn't do this he did other things, so he deserves prison', and I was really shocked. Brian has just done the same, I thought he was better than that.
well, there will be further developments I guess, what with George's recording etc etc. Ruairi deserves a dip in the slurry pit.

I had forgotten, but if he'd been a girl she planned to call her Róisín. So the sex apparently didn't show on a scan either.

Ruairi wants to own up though.

Well, well, well. I never suspected Ruairi as I imagine him as too gutless but it was a case of drunken bravado I suppose.

There was graffiti saying 'Free George Davis' in a wall on the Old Kent Road in the 70s. Someone had daubed 'with every 4 gallons' underneath. You probably need to be old enough to remember the petrol advertising to appreciate it.

Only when Brian told him he knew.

George didn't own up at all. In the end his mother had to tell the police he'd done it.

George and Ruairi are as bad as each other. Both are entitled, deceitful, manipulative, have a nasty streak running through them and questionable morals.
Just one is working class and one is a privileged posh boy.

I thought it was Ruairi as soon as Brian took the blame (so obviously - he would never have been so agreeable if it was actually him!) and felt it was confirmed when Brian was recently so scathing towards him...

So covering up for your children is suddenly acceptable to the Aldridges when it's one of their own...
(Although, to be fair, although they're not coming clean, they're not perverting the course of justice. However I'm still viewing it as hypocritical. And a very interesting storyline).

George and Ruairi are also equal in their scandalous parental origins.

So are the SWs telling us these two will be the main characters of their generation going forward?

George was the legitimate child of two people who were married.

Ruairi, not so much.

That isn’t quite how George sees things …

Of course he doesn't. His narrative, like that of his great grandfather Joe, is that no matter what he may have done he is the victim.

I am actually rather angry that Ruairi has given George that narrative back; he was having a hard time making his victimhood stick when he was doing wrong to others and they weren't doing wrong to him.

Well, Two-Dads-George is the child of a woman who was married to his biological father's brother. This may have made him technically legitimate, having been born "in wedlock", but I don't know how that works. The words "not terribly well when the truth comes out" spring to mind!

I think it's interesting that for all their delusions of superiority, the Archer family and their spin-offs (Aldridges, Pargetters and Carters) have no higher moral standards than the plebs when it comes to covering up for each other.

No that's not right.
William and Emma are the bio parents and were married.
She just happened to be having an affair with Ed in parallel leading to confusion as to who the father might be.

But who was she married to when George was born? It's so long ago that I no longer remember (or care) but am happy to be corrected on this.