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❓ Archers thread #126: It’s a mystery why we’re all still listening.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/03/2021 19:59

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you’d love to be on the Parish Council, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/4197199--The-Archers-spoilers-thread-6-Cant-wait-for-7-02pm-Join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks to @LillianGish and @Taswama for thread title ideas, but I felt most in sympathy with @R4's suggestion. Is it me, or is the programme in the doldrums at the moment?

Haven't heard the 31/3 episode yet. Perhaps it's a gem. Hmm

OP posts:
LillianGish · 22/04/2021 08:24

Fallon was a friend of Jazzer and Ed’s, not really even Emma’s friend. This is how I remember it. She and Emma have become friends through the tea room, but it's still more of a business friendship. Harrison and Chris are friends through cricket. I'm not really sure who Alice's friends are and I think that's quite significant. She used to have some posh Pony Club friends with names like Seb - none of whom ever had voices as far as I remember. Was she briefly friends with Natasha or am I remembering wrong?

Darker · 22/04/2021 08:27

Alice was friends with Alan’s daughter Amy for a while.

HaveringWavering · 22/04/2021 09:13

Did Alice not have some huge marquee-based 18th or 21st birthday party full of people like India Beesborough? I have a vague memory of some sort of drama unfolding.

lottiegarbanzo · 22/04/2021 09:28

No, I agree that Fallon and Alice were never besties and it's more a couple-friends relationship, based on Chris and Harrison's friendship, (that is itself based in cricket and being around the same age?).

So Fallon's bravery may not be as great as that of a best friend doing the same thing but it was still the right thing to do. My own experience is that it's always the acquaintances and the friends of friends who ask the awkward questions and say the tactless 'unsayables' that close friends carefully avoid. Fallon was still brave to a point, to be so decisive and direct.

Madcats · 22/04/2021 09:39

Wasn't Fallon going to be Alice's drinking buddy on the evening that Alice ended up paralytic by the roadside?

She also had that "I've decided I don't want children" discussion with Alice a few weeks' later (which made me wonder why on earth you would ask Fallon to be a godparent).

MayIDestroyYou · 22/04/2021 09:39

Harrison needs to put in for a transfer, he cannot police his friends and neighbours without fear or favour and should move to the mean streets somewhere, leaving room for a new police person in Ambridge. Patricia Carmichael would be choice.

Bore ... I wish I could laugh, but as iTunes didn't release LOD until last night - I'm still feeling painfully frazzled. I'd been avoiding most of the Internet, and most broadcast news since Sunday evening - and in the end it wasn't all that exciting.

But, oh my - what an asset AMM would be to Ambridge! Grin

WindyPudding · 22/04/2021 10:01

I think even Carmichael would need back-up, since Ambridge is heaving with criminal activity. The percentage of people who have been arrested/in prison/committed serious crimes is ridiculous.

MayIDestroyYou · 22/04/2021 10:43

I would be perfectly happy if she arrived as something other than Police. Some other profession that required her to poke her nose regularly into other people's business.

And what the jeff is happening with Glebe Cottage? It's entirely possible I missed an episode where Jill acknowledged that Carol had flitted and she'd be finding a new tenant. It would fit so nicely around AMM ...

MayIDestroyYou · 22/04/2021 10:49

In fact - Glebe Cottage could become the designated Powerful Female Actor residence. They move in, form uncomfortable alliances, disrupt settled lives, perform one verifiable miracle and disappear in a blaze of glory (or otherwise, as their more important commitments demand).

Would be such fun.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/04/2021 10:59

MissBarbary
"As I said, MissBarbary, how he chooses to react to it is his business; Alice 's choices/decisions are her own."
I think that's a bizarre take on it- as I said before I doubt a husband behaving as badly as Alice would get that response.

I think that it is absolutely standard for an abused wife to be told that she is not responsible for her husband's bad behaviour; it is nothing she has done which causes it, it is not her fault, and she should not feel guilty about what he does.

This is precisely parallel: Chris is not responsible for his wife's bad behaviour, it is nothing he has done which caused it, it is not his fault, and he should not feel guilty about what she does.

theThreeofWeevils
He cannot decide what she is going to do

And God help him if he were to try: that would certainly be abusive.

MissBarbary · 22/04/2021 12:25

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

MissBarbary "As I said, MissBarbary, how he chooses to react to it is his business; Alice 's choices/decisions are her own." I think that's a bizarre take on it- as I said before I doubt a husband behaving as badly as Alice would get that response.

I think that it is absolutely standard for an abused wife to be told that she is not responsible for her husband's bad behaviour; it is nothing she has done which causes it, it is not her fault, and she should not feel guilty about what he does.

This is precisely parallel: Chris is not responsible for his wife's bad behaviour, it is nothing he has done which caused it, it is not his fault, and he should not feel guilty about what she does.

theThreeofWeevils
He cannot decide what she is going to do

And God help him if he were to try: that would certainly be abusive.

I think you have missed the point about it "being none of his business". I wasn't remotely suggesting it was his fault - it's the suggestion that he has no say in her behaviour.
theThreeofWeevils · 22/04/2021 12:42

it's the suggestion that he has no say in her behaviour
But he does not and, without infringing her bodily autonomy (something I presume you would not condone), cannot have a say in her choices about alcohol. He can absolutely say something like 'Alice, unless you [whatever conditions apply] then I will leave you' but that is him choosing his own actions in relation to Alice's. I think the difference is important, but maybe it isn't. As long as Bad Things happen to them and this rather badly-thought-through runt of a baby, it's all fine...

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/04/2021 13:45

Chris needs someone to direct him to Al Anon.

Patricia Carmichael and Nicola Walker need to move in together in Glebe Cottage and work on all the Ambridge Cold Cases.

They could start with The Case Of The Missing Bunting.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/04/2021 13:54

MissBarbary
I think you have missed the point about it "being none of his business". I wasn't remotely suggesting it was his fault - it's the suggestion that he has no say in her behaviour.

I am aware that many people feel that a husband has the right, or perhaps the duty, to tell his wife what she ought or ought not to do. I don't subscribe to this myself; I regard my spouse as an autonomous person, not an adjunct. So for instance I might mention that I am made unhappy by something my husband does; but it is his responsibility as an adult to decide whether he will or will not take this as a reason to change the behaviour.

It seems to me that Chris has made it amply clear to Alice that her drinking to excess and without exercising control over it makes him very unhappy indeed; it is not his business to do any more than that. Trying to control another human being is soul-destroying, and ultimately doesn't work anyway. (As even Rob eventually discovered.)

Eastie77 · 22/04/2021 16:06

@Taswama

I think Fallon might be more sympathetic to Alice if she hadn't had an alcoholic father (although that's the first time I've heard him being to referred to as such, unreliable yes).
I was also confused by Fallon's reference to her father's alcoholism. I know he's been presented as feckless, bad with money etc but I can't recall anyone mentioning a problem with alcohol before yesterday's episode.
HaveringWavering · 22/04/2021 16:10

Yes, and if Wayne really was an alcoholic then it would not have been a great idea for him to take a job as a chef in a pub, surely!?

A bit of convenient rewriting of history there. Though I can imagine Wayne possibly did have a history as a fairly heavy drinker.

HaveringWavering · 22/04/2021 16:11

Actually wasn’t he a baker for a long time? Generally old soaks don’t do well at jobs that require getting up very early in the morning...

HaveringWavering · 22/04/2021 16:12

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3Wx162kkDm2v8mYjSY4VrWG/wayne-tucson

This does talk about Fallon finding Wayne homeless and drunk in 2009, to be fair.

Madcats · 22/04/2021 16:16

If Wayne had (recovered from) a serious drink problem, then surely Jolene and Fallon would have hesitated to offer him a job working at The Bull? I thought he was more of an absentee Dad rather than an intoxicated, but local, one.

Has he been stuck in the Bull's kitchen throughout lockdown? I can't remember the last time he spoke.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/04/2021 16:50

@HaveringWavering

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3Wx162kkDm2v8mYjSY4VrWG/wayne-tucson

This does talk about Fallon finding Wayne homeless and drunk in 2009, to be fair.

That is re-write. He was drunk, but he was also extremely ill.

If Jolene had known him for a drunk she would not have insisted that he stay at the pub all among the alcohol, nor later insisted that he be employed there. (He seems to have drunk an entire half-pint, bought for him by Eddie, during the time he was there.)

The person whop assumed he was a drunk was Sid (I said Kenton before but it was too early for it to be him), who miscounted the spirits bottles in a stock-check and accused Wayne of having stolen some.

Lowfield:
12th August, 2009
No one in the Bull got much sleep with Wayne in the Bull. But when he gets up it's clear he is really ill and has to stay for longer. Sid is convinced it is swine flu.

17th August, 2009
Sid's unhappy. Fuelled by Shires, Eddie and Neil have been telling a busy pub that swine flu's upstairs disguised as Wayne despite knowing it's bronchitis. Sid wants Wayne to go, he's not their problem, but Jolene insists he's staying while he can't even get down the stairs to sneak a pint in the night.

19th August, 2009
Wayne makes it downstairs at the Bull, dressed to leave but can't find his boots. Fallon sternly tells him to go back to bed, he's still unwell, and then has to help him back. She'll ask mum to take him to the doctor again, he's not improved despite almost finishing the antibiotics.

21st August, 2009
Eddie's raucous visit to Wayne last night has cheered him up; he ate a good breakfast and the doctor's hopeful more tablets will make him better. Sid, ever suspicious, is sure he heard clinking glasses though, does a stock check and finds he's two bottles of vodka short. He tells Jolene and Fallon. Jolene tells him Wayne can't get out of bed, let alone into the cellar, and she goes to search his room to prove it.
....
Jolene's search comes up with an empty lemonade bottle brought by Eddie. Now Sid thinks it must have had cider in it. He's being ridiculous, smell the bottle, says Jolene, and then go and check the cellar again. Fallon asks mum why she's so certain and is told Wayne was never a thief. Sid returns, sheepishly, he must have miscounted, sorry. Jolene tells him to apologise to Wayne to clear the air

30th August, 2009
Fallon is short with Sid when he tries to make her take a break; she's concerned that he'll be unpleasant to Wayne. Sid tries to call Wayne's bluff by offering him work in the kitchen - an offer Wayne accepts with alacrity.
....
Wayne shows what he's made of in the kitchen, to Sid's annoyance. Fallon points out that he did once work in a bakery. Freda has warmed to her new assistant, and has asked him to continue working with her. Sid can only try to sound pleased.

10th September, 2009
Jolene is struggling with keeping Wayne cheerful as well as everything else. He is so upset about Fallon telling him he has never been any sort of father. The worst thing is, Fallon was right. He was never around.

14th September, 2009
Jolene realises Fallon feels forgiving Wayne for walking out on them would be disloyal to her mum. Jolene explains that Wayne can't undo what he's done, but he can try and start from here. Fallon agrees to try too and goes to help him collect glasses. Sid hassles Jolene about Wayne leaving but once again she persuades him to extend the invitation although he wonders if it's just for Fallon's benefit.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/04/2021 17:02

Last spoke on air in March 2016, when he was busy being a rattling success as the Bull's chef, much to Kenton's irritation. That was when Jolene invented a girlfriend for him called Beverly Drains to put a stop to Kenton being jealous, and then had to kill her off when Kenton asked too many questions. Now there was a silly storyline!

CeciledeVolanges · 22/04/2021 18:45

I LOVE it when people mention Beverly Drains.

MollyButton · 22/04/2021 19:37

I think Wayne was just basically feckless - and on the whole more addicted/fond of wacky baccy than alcohol.
But the thought of Alice being "that kind of parent" could well have been "triggering" for Fallon.

R4 · 22/04/2021 19:45

Hurrah! I hate it when Alice goes into full-on "I'm an awful person. I despise myself. You can't possibly despite me more than I despise myself. But you have to accept me because that's just the way I am" because everybody automatically jumps to "you're not that bad. You're being to hard on yourself".
Chris has finally said "yes, you are a poor excuse for a human being." It's about time someone said it!

MissBarbary · 22/04/2021 20:02

Who in the village has a spare room for her? Brian and JD don't.

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