Call #111 for Archers advice: Is Hilda breathing? Should Joy be breathing? Could Nelson Gabriel be in cryogenic suspension? Discuss The Archers here.

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

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Thanks for all the input on title suggestions. I'd missed the significance of 111, but @R4 and DDD, our resident numerologist, were right on to it. Strongly tempted by Bore's suggestion but couldn't resist the chance to mention my favourite ever Archers character, Nelson Gabriel. Have not managed to incorporate a cricket reference, so you'll have to read up on that for yourselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_(cricket)

I wonder if this thread will last till Joe's funeral.

It’s not an inheritance thing - that was all tied up after Phil’s death - it’s about cutting the umbilical cord and realising Jill is a person in her own right

I wouldn't rule out the inheritance aspect. Its still a property and other money Jill seems to have and siblings fall out over far smaller estates. Jill was desperate for David not to know she was lending/giving Kenton money and David's never been particularly philanthropic when it comes to money moving out the family.
Mostly though I think its old fashioned misogyny in his case (I mean hey, she's an old woman who should be focused on his children and his stomach).

Oh I found the Sam story very plausable

Yes I did too. David was being a complete shit to Ruth around that time or she wouldn't have even noticed Sam's interest in her. The entire affair was one (?) snog in the cow shed and going a few miles down the road before returning and yet somehow Ruth was the scarlet woman who had to spend years begging for forgiveness. I don't recall David ever apologising for his behaviour.

He did apologise abjectly if I remember correctly, Sabrina was involved wasn't she? Or an old schoolfriend of Dave's. (someone will be along to correct me}

Sabrina was involved wasn't she?

Yes old girlfriend, Sophie wasn't it? Ruth was not that long after the mastectomy and already doing the full double shift of the farm and house (David being allergic to indoor activities) and generally a bit down. He was swanning around with glamorous Sophie and when Ruth expressed her discomfort he told her in no uncertain terms that he would do what he wanted and she couldn't stop him. He was utterly horrible to her and yet for months after the storyline was all about "Ruth's affair" and Ruth's behaviour.

I think that was the point I flipped from being neutral on David to full fledged dislike.

I quite enjoyed the Sam storyline I was willing her to snog him.
I feel comforted by you all looking at imaginary houses, it makes my driving through Shieldfield the other day seem less weird.

Doesn't Jill own Wotsit Cottage outright? (the one Now-silent Carol lives in, as far as we know).

I had to laugh, on 4Ex yesterday they were discussing the Orson Wells reading of H.G. Well's War of The Worlds, the fact that some of the listeners panicked and ran away from their homes, and someone said " Yes people believe anything they hear on the radio!!!!!!".

Home Farm has six bedrooms, two reception rooms and an "office" as well as Jennifer's luxury kitchen, and was divided into flats from 1945 until Brian bought it in 1975 and had it reconstructed as a single dwelling again. It is in the middle of a working farmyard, and it would not be possible to "fence it off" from that as Brian suggested he planned to do, because the kitchen door literally opens onto the farmyard so there is nowhere for a fence to run between them. It is early eighteenth century.

Grange Farm had six bedrooms when Oliver bought it in 2000, as well as two bathrooms (one en suite with the master bedroom), a parlour, a large farmhouse kitchen and a scullery, and a cellar. There is no working farm attached to it any more, though Ed has the lease of the fifty acres Oliver bought with it, and had the use of some farm buildings when a dairy operation was run from it. Since he no longer has cows, I assume that's not the case now. It was built in the late eighteenth century on sixteenth century foundations.

Jill has whatever she has saved since Phil's death and the use of Glebe Cottage for her lifetime; after her death it goes to Shula and Elizabeth, to make up to them for David having inherited Brookfield and Kenton having got his share of the estate three times so far to keep him out of prison. David objects to Kenton being given money because Kenton is a money-sink, not because of sibling jealousy: he dislikes the man, as anyone with any sense would if they'd had to deal with Kenton's scrounging, lying and cheating for fifty years and more.

I likes CMR's offer to Russell up something for lunch.

Where was CMR the night of the party, eh? Bella seems his type and Lily said she couldn't make out who the bloke was....

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I likes CMR's offer to Russell up something for lunch

Russ' offers to make lunch and dinner sounded pathetic, needy and desperate but as with the episode earlier this week with Robert Snell (when Russ came across as an embarrassing snob) I can't decide if (a) it was good writing because the script writers intended to make Russ sound pathetic, needy and desperate or (b) so bad that they didn't realise how pathetic, needy and desperate he sounds.

"Where was CMR the night of the party, eh? Bella seems his type and Lily said she couldn't make out who the bloke was...." ooh, that would be fun! I would almost accept Johnny being upset for that storyline.

Where was CMR the night of the party, eh? Bella seems his type and Lily said she couldn't make out who the bloke was

Well, he wasn't at the party, because Lily told him not to go. Remember, she was there at Shula's, and presumably, Russ was at home when Lily got back. He wouldn't have gone on his own, with it being full of his previous students, knowing the reputation he got being with Lily.
Also, I'm sure she would have recognised the back of the bloke's head, if it was Russ. I think it's just a vehicle to break up Jonny's relationship.

I thought it was going to be a photo of Johnny and lily, and that she was so drunk she had forgotten.

Doesn't CMR do a lot of the cooking anyway? He seems to fancy himself as a cook, and given that he's on the premises whereas Lily goes out to work, it makes reasonable sense.

CMR does cook. He also makes a song and dance about it.

CRM is a show cook

The entire affair was one (?) snog in the cow shed

I am almost sure the tree house was involved.

De lurking to ask, was Jill hinting to Leonard that she'd accept a proposal?

De lurking to ask, was Jill hinting to Leonard that she'd accept a proposal? I couldn't make out what was said as I was cooking dinner at the time, so asked DH who said Jill was saying she still felt married to Phil. It's not available on iplayer yet so no idea what actually was going on.

Mark my words, that Lemberry is an antiques thief. I said it 6 months ago and I'm saying it again.

Actually I'm talking rubbish, it is on iPlayer. Don't know why I think it's next Monday today.

And it looks like DH was wrong - and possibly she is questioning why Leonard is leaving it so long.

I don't think Peggy is safe from the would-be thieves. They're definitely going to come now that Tony has provoked them

Joy has an MG Midget? I can't believe no-one would have commented on that before now!

Jill is definitely angling for a proposal! Hope Leonard is perceptive enough to get the message.

And where's Rochelle?

Wasn't she supposed to be coming to visit this week? Wednesday, I think.

De lurking to ask, was Jill hinting to Leonard that she'd accept a proposal?

Not so much hinting as semaphoring it with large flags and aldis lamps.