Call #111 for Archers advice: Is Hilda breathing? Should Joy be breathing? Could Nelson Gabriel be in cryogenic suspension? Discuss The Archers here.

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Thanks for all the input on title suggestions. I'd missed the significance of 111, but @R4 and DDD, our resident numerologist, were right on to it. Strongly tempted by Bore's suggestion but couldn't resist the chance to mention my favourite ever Archers character, Nelson Gabriel. Have not managed to incorporate a cricket reference, so you'll have to read up on that for yourselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_(cricket)

I wonder if this thread will last till Joe's funeral.

I assumed the casserole was just going into the oven, so not boiling hot yet necessarily.

Jill is probably rather more robust than many other women of her age precisely because she has continued with weight bearing exercise in the form of large casseroles and roasts.

What whingefest by CMR, and he called his divorce "letting it go"!! I loved the way his post-modern greetings card assemblage was seen in quite a different light. What snob he is

I noticed that in his whingefest he managed to get in that he had given up everything for Lily.

If he'd acted like a responsible professional and kept their relationship in check till she'd finished sixth form, he could have kept his career. His choice.

His total selfishness in Manchester has caused Lily to give up her degree. Bad enough in anyone, but appalling for someone who was in education.

Re ironing there is a horror story about a colonial administrator who dumps his black mistress when his white fiancee arrives. The mistress used to diligently iron everything ; the fiancee didn't. It ends with the fiancee using tweezers to extract larvae from his back- the ironing use to kill them at an early stage. I can't remember the name or the author

I found it, MissBarbary: "White Lies" by Paul Theroux

The whole issue of CMR's divorce is ridiculous. They haven't managed to explain what conceivable grounds he has for divorce, nor are they suggesting that Lara is divorcing him. Given that this was a short marriage with no children, there's no need for the solicitor to make the meal out of it that he suggests - it should be perfectly easy to reach a sensible agreement.

I broke my wrist two years ago slipping, and yes, all humans put out their hand to stay the fall and not have the head bouncing on the ground. Wrist is preferable to bonce.

Being in my 60s, a bone scan was routine follow-up to see if osteoporosis was an issue. It wasn't as it turns out, but women over 50 with such fractures are sent for this check.

I found it,MissBarbary: "White Lies" by Paul Theroux

Thank you Echt. I couldn't remember which collection of stories it was in.

I am not sure it will be an osteoporosis storyline, I think it was more to signal that in terms of priorities Leonard is now Jill's priority, marriage is on the horizon.

Is there anyone more self obsessed than Russ? He’s worse than Shula. His overpriced card collage exhibition that only he understands is a nice touch from the SWs though.

Thank you Echt. I couldn't remember which collection of stories it was in

If you're an English teacher it was in the Unwinded Hyman collection for schools called "It's Now Or Never."

I am not sure it will be an osteoporosis storyline, I think it was more to signal that in terms of priorities Leonard is now Jill's priority, marriage is on the horizon

I agree with this. There was a warmth of expression in the delivery by Jill that argues living together, never mind David's pyjamas loan .:o

Unwin. Damn you autocorrect.

I noticed that in his whingefest he managed to get in that he had given up everything for Lily. I noticed that too and was surprised Lizzie didn’t pick him up on it. I can’t for the life of me work out why she is helping to extend Lily’s relationship.

I think it was more to signal that in terms of priorities Leonard is now Jill's priority, marriage is on the horizon I also agree with this. Things have been taking a Last Tango in Halifax turn ever since Leonard appeared on the scene, something which has only been emphasised by the fact that Leonard was actually in LTIH

What are you supposed to do [if you feel yourself falling]? You can't just go down like a ninepin, that's how you end up hitting your head.
Don't brace yourself, don't go rigid. Go floppity. Try to make contact with the ground with a squishy bit (eg posterior) rather than breakable bone, adopt a foetal position. Maybe even actively continue the collapse in a controlled manner and roll out of it (even if it is undignified!)

Apparently there is even a name for this type of injury: FOOSH (fall on outstretched hand)

Thanks for the wiki link on Philistinism, Errol, it was fascinating and I now know all about the Seven Wonders of Jena.

I found this re falling.

www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-fall-without-injury

I wonder if thesps break fewer arms (if not legs) when older if they've had training on stage falls?

If I fall over in my home, my 'piloting' is likely to be driven by how to avoid squashing the sausage dog who has just tripped me up.

sticking your limbs out to try to break a fall is a bad idea

Although ... I was struck by the observation that it’s the fitter elderly people who break wrists rather than hips when they fall. Very surprised Jill escaped with a sprain.

CMR was embarrassing to listen to last night- all that snobbery and whining self-pity.

But, as the standard of writing is so variable and questionable was he made deliberately embarrassing or was it just bad writing?

His pretentiousness about art, reminded me of what put me off the subject for years. Even now that I'm making art almost every day, I hate that side of it. My art has no hidden meaning, no comment on the state of society. I make art because I enjoy the process of slapping paint on the substrate, playing with different colours and mediums etc, and if I end up with something pretty to look at, that's a bonus.

When I study a piece of art, I'm interested in the strokes, how thick or thin the paint is, the layers underneath, etc.

Russ going on about the meaning of those cards, just took me right back to that.

It’s incomprehensible writing. I daresay it wouldn’t be terribly grown up for Elizabeth to be constantly rude to CMR (since she’s already let him into the house) but she doesn’t have to be so sucky.

She's become unhealthily emotionally dependent on him. She likes having an adult who can handle panic attacks around. She may find his fussiness sort of soothing. The antithesis of Nigel, right down to whining about putting on a silly costume.

At least, I think that's what's supposed to be going on.

She does rather seem to have forgotten whose ‘side’ she should be on.

There is also something of the 'zealous convert' going on. She has seen what therapy has done for her so she wants the same for CMR. She wants to be his therapist, his rescuer.

If it was me, I'd be doing some subtle NLP to poison Lily and CMR's relationship. Make Lily think it was her idea. Probably get CMR a glamorous young assistant, too.

She wants to be his therapist, his rescuer.

Then she needs to start wearing a tabard.

I wondered if we got the Jill injury story to demonstrate how ‘possessive ‘ David is about his mother. His insisting, that he’d take her to hospital, was frankly weird. As someone above did say, it also showed that Jill and Leonard are good as a couple and didn’t need any extra support.

For an osteoporosis or osteopenia story I think Lillian is a better candidate. Although she walks her dog (presumably) and rides horses, I assume by her voice and nickname amongst the listeners that she smokes. I know we don’t hear her smoking on air but we’re all to assume she does maybe. She also drinks a fair bit and I suspect doesn’t cook much - so only eats well sometimes?. All risk factors anyway.