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In honour of how The Archers threads began: Why are the SWs allowing this to happen?

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PseudoBadger · 08/01/2016 00:09

The very first thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/a1740045-Why-is-Lillian-allowing-this-to-happen

40k posts later....

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BitOutOfPractice · 16/01/2016 12:41

She's on the very brink of saying there's a problem at home - she came so close last week on the spa day

enochroot · 16/01/2016 13:25

New cheerful, chatty Ruth might remind David about Rob and the culvert. She knew about the meeting with Stefan and she is annoyed about Rob's bit in the paper.

AdventuresOfADentist · 16/01/2016 13:27

dumtedum I agree that I warmed to Charlie over time as his character developed. I'm glad they've had their moment, finally.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/01/2016 13:53

I was reafing back over Lowfield. I had forgotten quite hiw big a ciw Heken was about the whole Rob pursuit.
But the gust was they got together.
Then kirsty trued to warn her it wasn't all over with Jess.
Then Rob went to see Jess and did not contact H while he was away but did contact soneone else in village about staying away longer (h found out).
Then Jess cane and Henwee kept trying to interact with Rob and Rob oretended he didn't know him. Then went to shop and told Helen she should be making more effirt to keep Henry under control and away from him (that was horrible conversation). Then H hides in store room when J is in shop. Is shocked J seems nice.
Party.
Then R and J split.
He immediately contacts. Sats sorry for ignoring her but its been her he wanted all along. Blah blah. She falls for it and moves in almost immediately having neatly rewritten history in her head.

All of this was in space of 4 months. Indecent haste does not cover it.

And Kirsty went from urging caution, to picking up pieces, to fighting Helen's corner, to cold shouldered in that time.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/01/2016 13:54

Typo city. Some i are o's. Etc.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/01/2016 13:57

On the Adam Ian thing. Ian suspected Adam for a while. The whole cricket oyting was him clearly stating his claim over his man to Charlie.

Afam was reluctant to go to leaving do without Ian as he is scared of his feelings.

Ian didn't want to go because as he said "Charlie Thomas no less" or something like that. He resents Charlue and hopes everything will be fine once he is out of the way.
He was actually very curt with Adam when Adam kept pushing him to go.

Adam is a dick.
Charlue is no better than he ought to be.

BYOSnowman · 16/01/2016 15:29

I really don't like the way they have played this bout in a way that actually has people cheering on Adam and Charlie

It's not the romance of the century- it's a sordid little affair

Dumdedumdedum · 16/01/2016 15:40

I don't want Ian to leave. What is it with Grey Gables' chefs having strong accents and being almost voiceless?

Gruach · 16/01/2016 15:42

It's also made it look as if Adam rather revels in the drama of resisting until the last moment.

Someone mentioned it in an earlier thread - but Adam's similarity to Brian (with Siobhan) was very apparent on Friday night.

GruntledOne · 16/01/2016 16:05

There hasn't been even a mention of a midwife appointment.

To be fair, we did have the booking in appointment, including the bit where the midwife asked Helen about the possibility of abuse. And wasn't there something recently when she mentioned the fact that she had given up driving and the midwife was quite surprised?

So what I hope is that they were opening the door to another one round about now where the midwife is unhappy about her weight and her health generally. Of course Helen will lie and say she's just been overworking but with any luck it will be one of a number of alarm bells.

Of course if Helen tells Knob he'll decide the midwife is incompetent (in the same way he decided Kirsty was a bitch for raising the same concerns) and probably insist that they spend the rest of Piggoi's present on private care.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/01/2016 16:12

Yes, private care, and he will try to ensure that he is at every single appointment. Sad

Scarydinosaurs · 16/01/2016 16:42

The MW appt was before the serious restricting started, wasn't it? It has been ever since then that she's been noticeably missing meals. Though they have been building up the food issues for months and months. Even pre pregnancy, I have noticed odd comments about food.

She would 100% have ++ ketones and the MW would then do investigations.

AdrianlovesPandora · 16/01/2016 16:57

Yes Rob is using Helens weakness like the eating disorder so he will be able to control her even more.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 16/01/2016 17:06

I'm sure the number of midwife appointments will be increasing soon. Hopefully the midwife will notice she's lost weight.

BYOSnowman · 16/01/2016 17:16

No way will he risk consultant led care as he can put down a midwife but harder with a doctor, especially a man. He is someone who respects men (straight) and those he is told to by society (doctors etc)

Minimammoth · 16/01/2016 18:04

I have just caught up in the right order. Boops for normal conversations from Kirsty 'what do you think of Rob' and her hunches. Boop for Roy and Haley with Phoebe. Surely some health professional will flag concerns re Helens health. Is he trying to finish her off?, surely he must realise hers and the baby's health will be compromised.

GruntledOne · 16/01/2016 18:07

In my day, at this stage in the pregnancy you'd only see the midwife once a month unless there were known problems. Is it still the same? If so, it's reasonable for the MW not to have picked up on Helen's weight, she really only packed in eating around Christmas when Knob made a big thing of her being unable to get into the dress he bought her.

3littlefrogs · 16/01/2016 18:53

The way Rob told her she was beginning to fill out was really quite sinister.

It is quite a normal thing to say, but the way he said it was disturbing.

enochroot · 16/01/2016 18:56

If a health care professional such as a midwife suspects abuse but the victim denies it what is the procedure?

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 17/01/2016 01:20

I doubt there is anything they can do enoch other than advise. Although these days the police can push for prosecution based on the evidence of e.g. a neighbour regardless of whether the victim is prepared to make a statement/has withdrawn as statement.

But the mw would actually have to witness abuse before they could do anything. they are a) not qualified to say how the victim came by any injuries b) have no way of knowing, even if the injuries have clearly been made by a 3rd party of knowing who made them.

The victim would have had to tell them.

So all they can do is take a note of what they see / suspect and suggest to the victim that there are people they can talk to.

If H were to say to mw that she was the victim of sexual abuse and DA at Rob's hands, speak to the police and then change her mind, the prosecution could proceed on the mws evidence but I don't think they would.

Although I think they do sometimes where there is a high degree of violence (easy to prove) and the victim is too intimidated to want to be involved in the prosecution (often the case). They can go by police evidence and what neighbours have heard etc.

Changed days. One of my school friends was taken into care because the prosecution of her mothers partner failed as she was the only corroborating witness and she was deemed too young to be reliable. Her mother stayed with the partner and gave her and her db up. Sad it was heart breaking as she bore so much guilt at not being believed and anger at the system and at her mother for choosing him.o er them. I now think her dm stayed because having failed to get him jailed she was in extreme danger and had given up hope of getting away without him coming after her so opted to save her kids the only way she could.Sad

enochroot · 17/01/2016 09:11

That is dreadful, SmallLegs. At least now the child's evidence should be believed and protection given, I think.

I googled the midwives' guidelines last night. Basically they're alert to DV but the Titchener household would probably go under the radar - no domestic chaos, other child seems well cared for and so on. However, every PG woman should be seen at least once alone by the MW without the partner present. If Helen were to say anything then it becomes a multi-agency matter.

I wondered if, since the child's welfare is paramount, a MW could escalate to this to protect the unborn babe if she suspected the mother had developed an eating disorder but don't know the answer.

enochroot · 17/01/2016 09:19

Underline fail - and hit send too soon.
So Helen should have a one-to-one session with the MW and that will be her best chance of at least putting the MW on alert.

But I wonder if SHE would be assessed as being the threat to the child because of the ED if she continues to insist all is well.

RockNRollNerd · 17/01/2016 10:16

My experiene was they took ketones v seriously. I was almost at term and started throwing up for no discernible reason. After 8 hours of not keeping liquids down I was sent to maternity and as soon as they saw ketones they had me on a drip for 24 hours.

Another one hoping that Kirsty starts opening people's eyes to what's going on. She's pretty much the only person historically apart from Ian who has stood up consistently to Rob hence you can see why he's trying extra hard to put the boot in and get her out of the picture.

I know Berrow is part of Demara but there might be a possibility that in wrapping up the operations the accountants get a proper look at the books and follow up on Charlie's suspicions and Rob gets found out.

Gruach · 17/01/2016 10:44

Have you seen The Plarchers' Jazzer?Grin

In honour of how The Archers threads began: Why are the SWs allowing this to happen?
BYOSnowman · 17/01/2016 10:47

I think rob would blame Helens ed and get everyone to think he is the one under pressure having to support her through it