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In honour of how The Archers threads began: Why are the SWs allowing this to happen?

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PseudoBadger · 08/01/2016 00:09

The very first thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/a1740045-Why-is-Lillian-allowing-this-to-happen

40k posts later....

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OliviaMumsnet · 08/01/2016 10:35

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TheSilveryPussycat · 08/01/2016 11:26

In her youth Shula was doing so well at show-jumping that they got a Real Showjumper (can't remember who) in to give advice, IIRC. Sadly the advice was that she must stay in the village was not quite good enough. Not really a surprise, anything else would have been impossible to write!

I think Shula took the riding school over from Christine, rather than setting it up. I have always thought it was a pity we didn't hear more about running a riding school, after all we heard about the other siblings' various businesses, and always wondered if it was cos she is a girlie.

TheSilveryPussycat · 08/01/2016 11:28

Hmm. But Elizabeth is a girlie. Then again, the business was Nigel's really.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/01/2016 11:40

Yes, I accept that they need continuity and so can't have characters leaving Ambridge in droves. However, they live within commuting range of Brum and (at a stretch) London, so they really could have had a wider range of careers. On the odd occasion that somebody has got a job in a city it's always been far too much for them within a matter of weeks. Mark Hebden was a young, healthy man with no children and still found it far too much to drive to Birmingham every day, so left his big law firm and set up his own practice in Felphersham. Brenda had conniptions about working in Leicester. Jill fretted constantly about Elizabeth living in Brum and of course before long she threw in the towel and came back to work for Nigel.

Re suddenly getting married while still quite young - I did that. It isn't always a disaster. I was 21 when I married and my husband was 27. We were both still students. I finished my degree and went on to get a professional qualification. Still married (very happily) now.

I also know a young woman a little over 30 who is doing extremely well in her academic career. She's been with the same chap (a few years older) since she was in the sixth form. She chose her university based on where he was going to be working (the MNers on the HE threads here would have had conniptions about that). It wasn't a top ranked place but by her own account she spent most of her time in sixth form drinking and partying, so a top ranked place was not really an option. At university, though, everything fell into place and she got a First, moved to a much higher rated university to do a Master's, got a Distinction, secured a fully funded Ph.D. position and is now on her second postdoc job (fellowship, extremely prestigious). And all the time she has been going home to this lovely man who does a job not dissimilar to Chris Carter's. They are blissfully happy. Love of cats seems to have a lot do do with it. I would like to think that Alice and Chris can make it work in the same way.

ppeatfruit · 08/01/2016 12:35

Gaspode It also could be argued that too much emphasis is put on a university education, there are many people who dislike 'education' and don't have good experiences in it. (They have life experiences, more valuable IME and O, and or are autodidacts) There are many people who have succeeded in life without attending university.

I know some people who are over qualified and can't get well paid jobs with degrees.

BitOutOfPractice · 08/01/2016 12:51

Well helloooo!

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 12:53

It would be nice to see a tucker at Oxford!

JessieMcJessie · 08/01/2016 12:54

I think that the whole story of Chris Carter choosing to train as a farrier, and Susan's initial difficulty with that on the grounds that he was too clever, followed by her acceptance and glowing with pride at his acceptance into the Guild, was designed to highlight non- University careers. Cf also Jamie and the tree surgery.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/01/2016 13:04

Yes, likewise Dan and the army.

merrymouse · 08/01/2016 13:07

New to thread, but aren't the high flying career and educational opportunities limited in Ambridge? Wouldn't going to Oxford imply being written out (or atleast being relegated to occasional visitor who can't have an affair/play on the cricket team/have a local organic food production business).

Do the men have better opportunities?

ppeatfruit · 08/01/2016 13:09

Aah but Jessie They are MEN what would've been said on this thread if they'd been women I wonder?????? Grin

Oh sorry congrats and thanks for the new thread Psuedo and it's momentousness!

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 13:15

Until recently I suppose the men have either inherited their job or gone into 'country' work

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/01/2016 13:29

Ignoring the involvement of wives/partners:

Brian - used inherited wealth to buy farm when still quite a young man.
David* - inherited control of farm.
Kenton - ex-merchant navy, was bar manager, has acquired interest in pub through marriage.
Alistair* - vet, incomer.
Tony - tenant farmer, then bought farm.
Tom - set to inherit share of farm, has also built up business based on farm.
Neil - incomer, set up pig business with inherited money (from a local farmer who committed suicide and left everything to Neil, I believe).
Chris* - farrier.
Dan* - army officer.
Jamie - tree surgeon.
Eddie - lost tenancy of farm. Scrapes a living from other land-related enterprises.
Adam* - works on stepfather's farm.
Ian - chef, incomer.
Alan* - vicar, incomer.
Richard* - doctor, incomer.
Ed - going the same way as his dad.
Jazzer - jobbing milkman/pigman.
Will - gamekeeper.
Robert* - retired, incomer; used to be in IT, latterly as a contractor and then worked as a handyman; runs B&B with Lynda.
Jim* - retired academic, incomer.
Charlie* - farm manager, incomer.
Rob* - ditto.
Justin - incomer; agricultural entrepreneur.
Matt - incomer, very much missed; wheeler dealer.

  • means graduate or has more or less equivalent professional qualification.

Yes, the men have had better opportunities.

enochroot · 08/01/2016 13:30

Oxford isn't all that far away from home and it's only for 32 (?) weeks a year. She could make as many appearances as she is now. I hope she gets in and we get to gloat along with JD.

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 13:34

I think Justin should have a star!!

ppeatfruit · 08/01/2016 14:23

From last nights' episode someone on TA has been reading this thread, it was almost ironically NOT misogynist Grin.

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 14:27

Except for Ruth and the badly made coffee

  • couldn't have been a woman who made a bad coffee

And if it was, she must be some trouser wearing cow specialist, far too busy with man work to worry about silly things like household chores

ppeatfruit · 08/01/2016 14:31

I don't remember it being referred to as BAD coffee. The Fairbrothers are 2 men being taken the piss out of . What about equality for sad blokes?

LillianGish · 08/01/2016 14:33

I wasn't thinking she'd disappear while at Oxford, but possibly when she leaves. I think she would probably have to move out of Ambridge to make best use of her degree. Take the point that people could commute, but commuting is not particularly conducive to the Ambridge storyline - ie leaving the village at 7.30am or earlier and not getting home until late evening, socialising with friends in the place where they work, not being home early enough to be in Lynda's shows, pop in the shop, join the WI, be hanging around on the green etc to interact with other characters. There are many things which irritate me about the Archers at the moment, but having to suspend disbelief that everyone lives and works in the village or Felpersham, Borchester isn't one of them.

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 14:40

It feels like the sw introduced the fairbrothers for a reason,realised they'd written then as complete knobheads and the listeners don't like them, so now need to figure out what to do

Not sure helping two grannies is enough to redeem them

Silvertap · 08/01/2016 14:44

Long time lurker here. Just discovered the app so I can hopefully post more often.

I'm a farmer and in our farming circles the men go off to Harper then go back to the family farm. The women go off to uni and work elsewhere for a few years in a good career which they then go part time in once married if there's not a role on the farm or they want to retain their career. Going to Oxford doesn't mean you can't farm! It could be phoebe that takes over from Adam in the future.

I know that's very sweeping generalisation of me but it's a sample of a farming community near here!

TopOfTheCliff · 08/01/2016 15:00

Justin is a Cambridge man after all!

JessieMcJessie · 08/01/2016 15:08

Huh, BYOS?

The joke was as follows: Toby was being sexist by repeatedly addressing all business conversation to David only. He only managed to acknowledge Ruth by thanking her for the coffee. Ruth (after being the one to deliver the business decision verdict) said "Oh, David made the coffee" ie rubbing it in to them how wrong it was to assume women did all the domestic work.

At least that's how I understood it. Quality of the coffee was irrelevant to the joke.

BYOSnowman · 08/01/2016 15:15

I will admit to mishearing then! Slightly distracted by my demon child atm who will not go to bed quietly at 7 and let me listen in peace!!

Do you think we will lose the fairbrethren anytime soon?

And whilst Ruth may be the brains it is ultimately not her land - as shown by David making the unilateral decision to stay. I suppose that will reverse when pip inherits.

LillianGish · 08/01/2016 15:45

Welcome Silvertap - thanks for de-lurking. Great to have another farmer on board.

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