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Sheeping With The Enemy - in a brand new bed? Discuss the trials and tribulations of the Archers

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PseudoBadger · 18/02/2014 20:11

Just don't be so careless with your watch Helen

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TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 10/03/2014 22:02

um

well

Siobhan was married to whatshisface (doctor?)

so maybe it was assumed whatshisface (doctor?) was Ruari's dad until further notice?

but I can't remember!!!

(no help at all, sorry)

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:22

Siobhan was married to Dr Tim Hathaway. They had lived in Islington and then moved to Ambridge when he bought the village GP practice (now defunct). There was an intriguing reference in a private conversation between Siobhan and Tim to 'a new start', which was left tantalisingly unexplained. Siobhan was a freelance translator, working from home. One day in the autumn of 2001, Brian went round to Honeysuckle Cottage (which I think is where they lived - Adam and Ian are there now) to ask about translation services for Borchester Land. Siobhan asked him to have a glass of wine with her and it was somehow immediately obvious that they were about to have an affair. And lo! so it came to pass.

It was a very torrid affair indeed and obviously involved a great deal of deception all round. Eventually Siobhan became pregnant, which was probably deliberate but hadn't been discussed with Brian. At first she attempted to deceive Tim that he was the father, but he cottoned on. At that point they separated and Brian came under great pressure to leave Jennifer, which in the end he couldn't bring himself to do in the end. He didn't tell Jennifer what was happening, but was beside himself with pride at having produced a son. (Tim eventually went off with the vicar, Janet, and they live in Southampton now. He punched Brian at one point, and frankly who could blame him?)

Siobhan kept quiet about the identity of the baby's father. Those who were close to her began to realise it wasn't Tim's but nobody had worked out what was going between Siobhan and Brian. Siobhan's two closest friends in Ambridge were Elizabeth and Debbie. On the Pargetter twins' third birthday Siobhan was sitting with Ruairi, then about a month old, at Lower Loxley when Debbie arrived (Debbie and Elizabeth being very close too at that time).

Debbie quite suddenly recognised a strong resemblance in Ruairi to Alice when she was a a baby - or was there something with a hanky too? Anyway, the penny dropped, and she was absolutely devasted. Debbie had just found out that her own husband, Simon Gerrard, had been unfaithful to her and she had thrown him out. To find out that her beloved stepfather had done the same to her mother was too much. She confronted him and he had to admit it. She forced him to tell Jennifer, I think. Jennifer was devastated but decided to fight back and of course in the end she won. Brian stayed with her and told Siobhan it was over, at which point she left for Germany with Ruairi.

Debbie didn't speak to Brian for a long time. Some years later when Alice eventually found out (which I think was when Siobhan was ill and Brian was persuading Jennifer to have Ruairi to live with them) we had a re-run of that story, as Alice was so disgusted that she would have nothing to do with Brian for a long time.

All resolved now, of course, although I don't think Elizabeth and Debbie have ever got back to the way they were, because Elizabeth let Siobhan stay with them even though she knew the truth about the affair before Debbie did and Debbie never forgave her for what she saw as a great betrayal.

Peggy's role was to tell Brian that she wanted to horsewhip him. Wonderful moment. The whole story was absolutely gripping and I do think they bottled out in the end by not following through with a divorce, which would have been the more logical outcome. Ah well, we can't have everything.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:26

PS A rather good detail about the Siobhan-Elizabeth relationship was that Siobhan was pregnant at the same time as Elizabeth but had an early miscarriage. Elizabeth always felt slightly guilty about that and that was the basis of their friendship to begin with. She is Ruairi's godmother, although you really wouldn't know that now. She seems to have very little contact with him. And yes, it is very odd that Siobhan's mother and sister just allowed him to drop out of their ives. But then Siobhan was a very difficult woman and was probably a toxic relative. She was fascinating but I disliked her intensely.

JollyGolightly · 10/03/2014 22:28

Thanks mimsy.

I go to bed happy, knowing all that.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:28

PPS Another good detail - shortly before Siobhan and Brian started their affair, she had tried to proposition Greg, the morose gamekeeper who was Helen's partner before he committed suicide. He backed away in horror from Siobhan as I recall. That's probably why it was so easy to spot the frisson between her and Brian - we knew she was on the lookout for somebody new.

OldBeanbagz · 10/03/2014 22:31

I thought Siobhan had already broken up with husband (Tim?) when she got pregnant with Ruairi?

Wasn't he 'friendly' with the female vicar? Does that mean they both had afairs? Or wouldn't the vicar (can't remember her name) have done that sort of thing?

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2014 22:32

I'm inclined to think JennyDarling deserves that new kitchen.

AskBasil · 10/03/2014 22:32

Ooh can I ask an Ambridge question? I missed out on when David and Elizabeth made up - you know when Elizabeth wouldn't talk to him because she blamed him for Nigel dying - I missed a week and when I came back they were on speaking terms again. I was devastated.

Please someone tell me why she forgave him.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 10/03/2014 22:35

Fabulous summary, Mimsy, thanks Smile

& yes, Siobhan was a madam if ever there was one

(But in my head it was Caroline that made Peggy want to horsewhip Brian; were there 2 horsewhipping-worthy affairs?)

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:35

No, very definitely still with Tim when she found out she was pregnant. There was an electrifying scene when he spotted that she was wearing diamond earrings that he hadn't seen before and suddenly worked out what was going on.

Tim and Janet didn't have an affair as such, but I think the Relationships regulars here would have said they were teetering on the verge of an Emotional Affair. They had become very close by the time he threw Siobhan out.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:37

Ooh, The One, I'm not 100% sure now. She certainly said it at some point but was it about Caroline or Siobhan? Good point.

AskBasil, that was a very damp squib in the end. So damp I have entirely forgotten what reconciled D and E. Very badly handled.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 10/03/2014 22:38

Basil, I bet somebody else can do this better than me too, but I think the rapprochement was something to do with David getting closer to Lily & Freddie over something or other & Lizzie realising that life's too short blah-blah

stilllearnin · 10/03/2014 22:38

mimsy you should start charging for this stuff you know!

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves · 10/03/2014 22:40

If only, stillearning, if only...

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2014 22:41

D&E was definitely some sort of 'life's too short' thing.

BasketzatDawn · 10/03/2014 22:54

After R was born, Siobhan went to live in Germany - she was there till she developed terminal skin cancer and went back to her mammy on the Emerald Isle. Germany so handy for Hungary, and secret meetings.I do recall an episode a couple of years back when R went o see his granny and aunt in the school holidays. What I don't recall is how old Ruaridh was when Jenny found out he was Brine's child. I recall the night R was born - Brine left a family event at Grey Gables to go the hosp. I think Siobhan put some pressure on him re- divulging the dark secret. to jenny especially.

I do recall an incident when TimtheCuckoldedandHornyGP tried to snog Janet one lunchtime - spotted by Susan no less! that woman gets everywhere, i tell you. Janet's response was that she couldn't do 'anything' until he was 'free to marry because of my faith'. That didn't seem to stop the current Vic (out of wedlock shenanigans, I mean) though neither he nor Usha were married to anyone else when they met.

TheShimmeringPussycat · 10/03/2014 22:56

I seem to remember a picnic featuring somehow in the reconciliation.

But no dialogue or context seems to come to mind...

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 10/03/2014 22:57

Now I seem to remember a picnic featuring in the catastrophic break-up ShockGrin

BasketzatDawn · 10/03/2014 23:06

Enjoyed tonight's episode, but heart was in my mouth for poor 'unfit' Kenton!!They can't have Jolene lose another middle-aged husband when out exercising, can they? It feels like Dan/iel has been on a very long gap year - is it still only one year? Grin
The convo between Kenton and David regarding Ruth's health was good. Kenton saying the well-meaning but slightly crass thing about 'she'll feel better in the spring' was so realistic in my experience. Not knowing what to say but saying something upbeat anyway.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 10/03/2014 23:14

Bit late but - Basil - the reason Elizabeth and David are friends again is that the powers that used to be finally realised what a shocking mistake they had made with SATTC; how they were set fair to lose half their audience and how utterly, utterly artificial the whole "I'll never forgive you" scenario was.

They got rid of a pivotal character, couldn't deal with the fallout and had to scrabble to re-establish a kind of normality. At least now blah blah blah.....

TheShimmeringPussycat · 10/03/2014 23:15

well yes this is true at one level, but how was it done in the narrative?

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 10/03/2014 23:27

I'm inclined to think the fact no-one can remember rather speaks for itself.

(If I click the grinning face on the phone app what will it look like tomorrow on a laptop?...)

I also seem to recall Ruairi going off to Ireland during his hols - but I guess it's not surprising his maternal family aren't high on the invitations list at Home Farm.

PseudoBadger · 10/03/2014 23:31

This thread is just pure gold :)

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PseudoBadger · 10/03/2014 23:39

Was the D & E reconciliation after Freddie learnt from various Brookfield children how to handle the young bull?

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TheShimmeringPussycat · 10/03/2014 23:52

I did actually stop listening altogether after The Screeeeaaaaaaammmm I was so pissed off. I almost stopped caring. But you can take the Nigel out of the Archers, but it seems you can't take the Archers out of me...

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