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Massive Property headache - need hand hold

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propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:10

So we bought a property back in January in our dream area. It is very much a doer upper.

just some back ground we’ve come back via different part of world and UK and have owned and renovated 3 lovely properties previously.

This is a very popular and pricey area we accepted we were going to have to make sacrifices and that the majority (4 yrs I’ve been keeping my eye on this market now so have insight) of properties that come up in our price band have been owned by elderly individuals and are in various states of needing updating.

We took a hit on the type of house (period and size/footprint) and immediate loc/plot (house backs onto primary school and on bus route, plus much smaller garden than would have liked) to be where we wanted to be and have what we hoped would be the money to renovate and make it really lovely/nicely speced. We pretty much immediately had to can any plans of even a small extension. No really biggie got over quickly. We really don’t want a massive house.

However it has taken us 8 months nearly of our architects dragging their heels and builders taking ages to quote to finally get the quotes back (5 in total) way way over, 50% over what the architects initially said (spec has not changed even they’re surprised). We have got the extra money together (parents) but there is no contingency.

DH has just had the conversation with me today that he thinks we should pull out. And sell cut our losses. I mean what would this even mean financially??

I can’t even cope, on some level I know he is right, this was never intended to be the forever but we wanted something really nice, for next 6-8 yrs. like I said we are in our 40’s with kids and have worked hard, and I know I know we’re lucky than most etc, but that’s not helpful in reality.

We’ve looked at de-specing but just feels like too much of a stop gap then and starting a the bottom, and even then it is objectively still an awful lot of money and emotional effort and time to be spending that on something that wasn’t really what we wanted.

As well things I was prepared to ignore and hopefully in time forget about (bus route school etc) for the original discussed figures felt doable, at this level it feels like a deal breaker.

we are in a rental and it is bloody awful, similar to the house we bought as in fully pensioner, plus v cold, damp, boiler on blink needs updating. The thought of been here any longer with no end in sight is pushing me over the edge. Nice rental properties are like hens teeth.

Just been to look at new build it goes against my very core, our previous houses have been such a reflection of us and what we love and have been laboured over, I am depressed at the thought of having something very likely poorly constructed and Homogenous - but I know I’m being a bit of a div.

What the heck do we do.

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propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:11

Sorry put on chat but realised this board might be better.

just had telephone valuation with agent we bought via and they said definitely won’t go on for less and might consider 10/15k more actually especially as it has building regs approval and some plans.

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Twiglets1 · 18/09/2023 17:16

I'm not sure I really understand.

Why not just concentrate on getting the house in a liveable state so you can move in and get out of that awful rental. Forget architects plans etc, cut right back. You can still make money on the house I imagine if you make it look nice and another family could move there in a few years time.

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2023 17:22

Do the basics to make it liveable and then either sell or live in it.

ClematisBlue49 · 18/09/2023 17:22

I agree with @Twiglets1 . Even if you want to sell in 6-12 months, it will be more saleable if a buyer can move straight in.

On the specs, definitely don't go too high-end if you are planning to move on. A cheaper kitchen etc. is fine, since whoever buys it will rip it out anyway most likely.

AuroraForever · 18/09/2023 17:24

Sell it now and just buy something you can live in to get out of the rental. Building labour and materials costs have gone up massively in the last 8 months and will continue to rise. Get out of this one now while you can and just start again with something that you do want. Perhaps stop looking at doer-uppers.

propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:27

@WallaceinAnderland oh it’s totally liveable probably more than the rental in terms of maintenance just fully, fully horrific pensioner beige not been touched since late 80’s decor wise but has been well maintained (very much so in comparison to this rental).

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TiredandLate · 18/09/2023 17:31

Can you not move in and renovate as you go along?

propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:31

@AuroraForever literally in our price bracket/size need that is all there is - kid you not. Even putting every penny in (inc money From parents) we still would y be able to get something done/nice in this suburb, only option for something ‘done’ or even vaguely nice would be to go terrace/flat and drop a bedroom and have tiny garden which we just can’t do with the kids

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WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2023 17:32

New carpets and wallpaper/paint will get rid of pensioner beige OP. I'm not really understanding what is causing your angst. If it's otherwise sound just redecorate (even if you do it yourself) and then sell.

Why are you paying out to live in a worse property when you have a perfectly good one sitting empty?

Hippopotaperson · 18/09/2023 17:32

I think I’d probably get your bought property cleaned and move in. Then embrace the “pensioner beige” ( one for F&B colour chart?). It’s much more eco friendly to live with what you’ve got and you can always save up and do a room up at a time.

KievLoverTwo · 18/09/2023 17:33

I wish you'd frequented this (or any other property) forum well in advance of buying the place. It would have been easy to spot (at least, in recent times) that whatever your architect quotes you will be in no way, shape or form based on reality.

propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:33

@TiredandLate done that 2 times and it was horrific even without kids, might consider for forever home but this plot isn’t worth that upheaval.

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propertydisaster · 18/09/2023 17:35

@TiredandLate sorry to add the point was to take the cash do it in one go and get on with our lives….just too old to start that all that again.

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Horriblewoman · 18/09/2023 17:36

What level of renovation do you require? If it’s in good condition then why can’t you give it a facelift for now and then plan longer term?

RedLollyYellowLorry · 18/09/2023 17:36

Why don't you just move into it and do the jobs a bit at a time?

What actually needs doing? I assume an extension isnt necessary?

Starseeking · 18/09/2023 17:42

If it's liveable, I can't see why you're wasting money on paying someone else's mortgage.

Move in and do the house up bit by bit, making sure to economise where you can.

Steev · 18/09/2023 17:46

Starseeking · 18/09/2023 17:42

If it's liveable, I can't see why you're wasting money on paying someone else's mortgage.

Move in and do the house up bit by bit, making sure to economise where you can.

This. You sound a bit spoilt tbh.

Crikeyalmighty · 18/09/2023 17:49

I get what you are saying- with all the fancy things you planned on you could overlook the aspects you didn't like, but with just the basics improved in to bring it up three decades it no longer feels special enough to want to live there?

I would have a good chat and see if you are both on the same page and what the alternatives are . My gran at 73 put a bungalow on the market 5 months after moving in as she just didn't like it !!

Given the price of extensions and renovations these days I can understand you looking at new builds too

KievLoverTwo · 18/09/2023 18:07

After reading again, I have to agree with @Steev. What you seem to be saying is that you currently have two homes, you don't like either of them, and the money your parents have given you for an extension will all be swallowed up, which leaves you no extra money to play with?

Am I getting that right?

Were you expecting the money your parents are giving you to both pay for the extension AND refurbish the entire property?

... cry me a river, honestly.

However, despite my lack of sympathy, I will give you one piece of advice.

The very worst thing to do in an economic downturn is to buy a new build property. They are almost always 10-15% more expensive than older homes, and it takes a really long time (at least 5 years) for them to come in line with other houses - and we're currently in a market where house prices are falling (I don't believe your EA, sorry). Unless your immediate area is booming at the seams with people lining up to buy the exact sort of property in the exact area you have in mind, you're likely to get stuck there.

In most areas, anything over 300k is struggling to sell at the moment.

You are far better off buying a 'secondhand' new build - i.e. one that's been built more than 5 years but less than 10/15 years ago. The chances are, you won't overpay quite so much for one of those, and if you decided it's not quite right for you, it will be less of a financial loss if you have to move again.

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2023 18:08

I also don’t really understand why you haven’t been living in it since January when you bought it, if it’s better than the rental? Just because it’s Pensioner Beige that doesn’t sound too bad.

Aavalon57 · 18/09/2023 18:24

Yes, I agree with this, unless we are missing something? We bought our house in 2019, it hadn't been done up for 20 years but still functional and well maintained. We are slowly doing it up. Prices for materials were fluctuating week to week due to Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine war. So I can't understand why stop paying rent, move in and do it up as you go along. The cost may only go up the more you dally.

Aavalon57 · 18/09/2023 18:25

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2023 18:08

I also don’t really understand why you haven’t been living in it since January when you bought it, if it’s better than the rental? Just because it’s Pensioner Beige that doesn’t sound too bad.

This is the message I was referring to. ⬆⬆

CircleWithin · 18/09/2023 18:28

We're doing a full renovation that's about 60% more than the architect's budget. But it's going to be our long term (20+ years, take me out in a wheelchair) home.

I wouldn't do the work for a stop gap. Redecorate it fully and sell.

Heronwatcher · 18/09/2023 18:31

You are absolutely overthinking this.

Move in.
Spend the rent and any additional money on decorating, new carpets and if necessary a new boiler. Maybe even a new kitchen if you have young kids- you can get some amazing ones second hand for a few grand.
Get everything comfortable and working.
Live in the house and enjoy your family.
In a couple of years re-evaluate- either prices will have gone up and you can sell and not make a loss on your stamp duty, or if you love the area look again at what needs doing having had the benefit of living there (and if necessary do it in stages once the kids are a bit older).

If you try to sell at the moment it will be a nightmare, you’ll get a buyer wanting a price reduction and no one who has a place to sell is moving at the moment unless they really have to, so there’s nothing on the market. Plus even if you sold tomorrow and found somewhere else and offered immediately you’d be in the rental until after Christmas. And I bet your current house is a better place to live and a better investment than most new builds.

If you have a liveable house in a nice area you can afford to heat and pay the mortgage on, you’ve won the lottery!

Lampzade · 18/09/2023 18:32

Starseeking · 18/09/2023 17:42

If it's liveable, I can't see why you're wasting money on paying someone else's mortgage.

Move in and do the house up bit by bit, making sure to economise where you can.

This