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Was the House Doctor right all along?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 21:21

Name changed for this.

I’m selling a house that has been rented to tenants for ten years.

It’s a fixer upper. The estate agent has been told to market it as a fixer upper, to people who want a project. The EA put it on for an unrealistic price this summer, claiming that there was “plenty of interest at that price”. It’s a 3 bed Victorian terrace in a nice village in West Yorkshire. I made him drop the price a couple of weeks ago, by £30k, despite his protests that he was “confident of selling the house this year”. The low number of viewings, and the feedback, suggested otherwise. It’s still not shifting, even at the lower price.

It’s not a wreck, but it’s tired. Of course it is: it’s been tenanted for ten years, that’s why we’re selling it as a fixer upper. It’s on for £45k less than the top price that houses on the same terrace have sold for this year. It’s on at offers over £220k. Done up identical houses on the same terrace have sold for £265k.

My question is this: do buyers really want a true fixer upper, or do they expect to buy a house described as a fixer upper and only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect?

Our experience suggests the latter, and that the House Doctor (Anne Maurice…yes, I am old enough to remember her) was right all along. In other words, forget showing a house that needs a bit of work, because buyers can’t be arsed and you’re going to have to do it yourself so that buyers can “imagine themselves in the house” blah blah.

That’s an outcome I was kind of dreading because I’ve got no time for supervising effing house renovations. I don’t need to sell, just can’t be bothered with being a landlord any more. I’m flexible on price, hence the £30k reduction, but I don’t want to sell for a derisory amount, less than what I paid for it in 2006.

The feedback since the price drop is that, despite more viewers and the house being explicitly described on Rightmove as ‘in need of modernisation’, the viewers are all carping about “having to do too much work”, and that they wouldn’t make an offer at all, even below the reduced asking price!

The house has a damp cellar, like all of the houses on the same terrace. It needs redecorating and recarpeting. The kitchen is original (as in Victorian cupboards, not avant garde). The bathroom is early nineties, and is quite tired. I can’t see the value in redoing a kitchen and bathroom just to sell the house, because surely buyers would want to fit their own, to their own taste?

What do you think? Is it worth doing up a fixer upper yourself to shift the bloody thing, or persevering in the hope that a buyer comes along who understands what the phrase ‘fixer upper’ means, and is prepared to do the work in exchange for a good price?

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justasking111 · 30/09/2021 16:02

Makes you wonder if EA doesn't have a Pal in the background waiting for you to accept a silly offer. This does happen

Blurp · 30/09/2021 16:03

Change estate agents. We had one who overpriced our house, and was generally useless. We switched to a local one (first one was from a bigger nation-wide company) and it sold within 2 days for the amount we'd hoped for (first EA had it on for about 30k more).

Similar thing happened to SIL.

I wouldn't bother with new carpets etc, and definitely not a new kitchen or bathroom. Give it a good clean and repaint any rooms that are looking a bit tired. Make sure the outside is fairly tidy as well.

perfectasalways · 30/09/2021 18:47

My son has just bought a cracking flat - I work in conveyancing and actually negotiated the price at £5 under asking and £15 under Home Report) - we are in Scotland. Honestly, I was beginning to wonder what was wrong with it. Well after a bit of wallpaper and paint and the kitchen cabinets being given a lick of paint it is like a new flat. People just couldn't see past the flowery wallpaper (which we painted over) or the carpets. Weird, people have such high expectations these days. I would fix up a bit, wallpaper and paint but don't overdo it.

Movinghouseatlast · 30/09/2021 19:05

I bought a house that needed a huge amount of work, We have spent £75k - it was truly dreadful though, hadn't been touched for 30 years.

Sunshinebuttercups · 30/09/2021 19:07

I was going to say it was the price and the work would cost more then price reduction, then I saw photos. To me that looks like one you could move in and do up in own time - not a fixer upper. As others said I would paint in neutral colours. Could you put some furniture in rooms just to give a better idea of space. Better photos. Also I’d spend some money getting a gardener in for a tidy up.

SpeakingFranglais · 30/09/2021 20:16

Oh I dunno, DS bought a two bed Victorian terrace as a doer upper in 2019. Also West Yorkshire. He’s spent 30k making it lovely. It was an ex rental and tired house with some problems.

He’s had to put a new roof on, new doors and windows, new kitchen, new bathroom, new fireplace, full redecoration, new carpets, yard front and back gutting and new flag stones and fences.

He couldn’t have done it without our help.

What I’m saying is that it’s very likely those viewing see the price and house and think, oh maybe we could sort it with some graft, but they simply don’t have the money to be able to put it right properly.

So you need to look at a buyer that either can renovate and resell like a developer, but it’s probably not cheap enough, or a landlord to rent out again, but it’s probably not cheap enough and the income wouldn’t be high enough if it needs work, or a young couple to make their home - but they won’t have the money to make it nice.

As with most things, it’s down to the price.

catsjammies · 30/09/2021 20:16

DH and I are very open to buying a house which needs serious work- thing is they are never priced to reflect the sort of work required! Particularly at the moment when builders are booked months/years in advance and prices for materials having gone up and unsure if they're going to come down/stabilise.

We've viewed two houses recently which would need a lot of work to sort- they'd be livable as-is, but to actually turn them into decent family homes they would each need about £80k-£100k worth of work. But the current asking prices of those + £80k would mean it's waaaay overpriced for the area, not to mention the hassle of having to do the work in the first place.

There's a house near us which sold a few years ago for £600k. They've done it really beautifully and TBH I have no idea what they've spent on it but it's had a loft conversion, been landscaped front and back, repainted and had original period features restored. It went on the market in Feb for £850k and now it's down to £800k and still they can't get people through the door as it's about £100k above what people would consider paying for the area.

So TL;DR, just price it realistically!

SpeakingFranglais · 30/09/2021 20:25

Just seen the pic, this is way way better than DS’s, and I know Baildon, it’s lovely.

(Isn’t that the same village where the coke snorting heart consultant from the LGI lived?) - misses point, sorry.

I think it has huge potential. Maybe a tad overpriced for a Bradford postcode but I wouldn’t auction it. No way.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 22:03

(Isn’t that the same village where the coke snorting heart consultant from the LGI lived?) - misses point, sorry.

Really? Yeah why isn’t THAT on the estate agent’s details? Sought after location where cocaine is snorted by professionals! Did not know that the house was in the Las Vegas of West Yorkshire.

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allsorts1 · 30/09/2021 22:56

Maybe spend a bit on it to make it not gross (if it indeed is a bit gross?) so fresh paint, fresh carpet, nice and tidy, so that people moving in feel that it's OK enough for now and that they can take their time doing all the big things but don't have to throw cash at it immediately after buying to make it liveable? That's only if it's in a bit of a state currently though. I would love to buy a fixer upper but if people would need to spend more than the difference in price to get it looking like the done up ones on your street then I can see how they're put off?

allsorts1 · 30/09/2021 23:06

Oh just saw the pic. It's definitely not gross at all and has great potential. I would say you're right about leaving the new buyers to do the bathroom and kitchen to their taste, but I think fresh neutral paint and new curtains would really make it appealing. And if you could pay to get it dressed with furniture for the new photos?

Onlinedilema · 01/10/2021 07:22

The photos of the garden scream 'The shining' to me.

Twiglets1 · 01/10/2021 21:16

I think the house is charming. Some of the colours won’t suit some people but they should be able to see past that. The main problem to my mind is the garden. I would just employ a gardener to chop those bushes back hard to open it up a bit, put out a table and chairs and it will look much more usable

Twiglets1 · 01/10/2021 21:28

Actually, looking at the floor plan it is also under bathroom - ed because no one would use the loo in the basement.
I think I would get a plumber to advise if a small loo & sink could be put in anywhere or else turn bedroom 3 into a study and small bathroom

RainbowMum11 · 01/10/2021 21:35

I always bought proper fixer uppers - rewiring, bare stonework etc, and they were great for that stage in my life.
XH still prefers a proper fixer upper and continued after we split up!

DeadButDelicious · 01/10/2021 22:06

I think it's a lovely house, I really like the kitchen (and the plum living room). I think the EA is the problem here, 'in need of modernisation' to me says that the wiring is shot or it needs central heating putting in or some other huge job, not a lick of paint and some new carpet as seems to be the case here. I think with a little staging and the right photos someone will snap it up.

worriedatthemoment · 01/10/2021 22:51

I think houses are so pricey that people borrowing max and then no money to do up
A friend recently had to do her house up a little to sell.
Why is it so old and tired just because it was rented did you not have to do it up so your tenants had a useable nice house

Kirstiesshirtdress · 01/10/2021 23:06

Why is it so old and tired just because it was rented did you not have to do it up so your tenants had a useable nice house

The tenants were in for ages, and didn’t want us to decorate whilst they were there. They did some painting and wallpapering themselves, to their taste. The carpet was almost new when they moved in. I charged under market rate and didn’t increase the rent in all the years they were there, to compensate for the fact that the house wasn’t immaculate.

I hope that you are not too disappointed at my failure to be a bad landlord! Are you warming up for a ‘robbing landlords deserve all they get’ argument?

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mummabubs · 04/10/2021 14:01

I think your property has lots of character and the interior wouldn't put me off at all as you can change that to taste over time.

However I'm afraid I'd have written off viewing your house based on the garden pics- the pics look v narrow as others have said but the killer for me it looks completely shaded from both pics. Our last house had a small north facing garden so even in the height of summer we'd only get a couple of hours of sun. As a result garden with sun was literally top of my priorities list when we house hunted recently as you can change the interior of houses completely but you're more limited with light in gardens.

If your garden does get more sun maybe take a pic at that time of day to make it look more inviting?

BlueMongoose · 04/10/2021 23:00

@LCDP

I think in this market, especially at this price point and in the north where prices have sky rocketed in the last 12 months, some people who were open to a ‘fixer upper’ are finding that these new house prices leave people with no money left to do the fixing. Add into that the significant lead times on labour and inflation in material prices, this is a financially risky time to be dipping toes in renovation unless you have comfortable savings. People are also dealing with a mindset problem, because last year the same budget would have bought a sparkling house, and now it only buys something like your fixer upper. Is your house currently tenanted? One consideration is that you ideally do not want to leave it empty over winter or it may create new problems.
I so agree with the above that I haven't got anything to add except I'm in the North too and that's what I think is happening here as well. I wouldn't currently advise anyone to buy a doer-upper, as prices (which are ridiculously inflated at present) are not reflecting the costs of doing work, which has risen astronomically in the last 2 years.

We bought a doer-upper a few months before covid. We can manage because we always intended to do a lot ourselves, had costed the jobs needed far more realistically than most people do with proper contingencies, and had no set timescales, but if we'd been paying people to do it all on a tight budget we'd have been struggling financially, and we'd have been even more behind time than the shortage of materials and waits for tradespeople to do things we can't do ourselves has made us.

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