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Was the House Doctor right all along?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 21:21

Name changed for this.

I’m selling a house that has been rented to tenants for ten years.

It’s a fixer upper. The estate agent has been told to market it as a fixer upper, to people who want a project. The EA put it on for an unrealistic price this summer, claiming that there was “plenty of interest at that price”. It’s a 3 bed Victorian terrace in a nice village in West Yorkshire. I made him drop the price a couple of weeks ago, by £30k, despite his protests that he was “confident of selling the house this year”. The low number of viewings, and the feedback, suggested otherwise. It’s still not shifting, even at the lower price.

It’s not a wreck, but it’s tired. Of course it is: it’s been tenanted for ten years, that’s why we’re selling it as a fixer upper. It’s on for £45k less than the top price that houses on the same terrace have sold for this year. It’s on at offers over £220k. Done up identical houses on the same terrace have sold for £265k.

My question is this: do buyers really want a true fixer upper, or do they expect to buy a house described as a fixer upper and only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect?

Our experience suggests the latter, and that the House Doctor (Anne Maurice…yes, I am old enough to remember her) was right all along. In other words, forget showing a house that needs a bit of work, because buyers can’t be arsed and you’re going to have to do it yourself so that buyers can “imagine themselves in the house” blah blah.

That’s an outcome I was kind of dreading because I’ve got no time for supervising effing house renovations. I don’t need to sell, just can’t be bothered with being a landlord any more. I’m flexible on price, hence the £30k reduction, but I don’t want to sell for a derisory amount, less than what I paid for it in 2006.

The feedback since the price drop is that, despite more viewers and the house being explicitly described on Rightmove as ‘in need of modernisation’, the viewers are all carping about “having to do too much work”, and that they wouldn’t make an offer at all, even below the reduced asking price!

The house has a damp cellar, like all of the houses on the same terrace. It needs redecorating and recarpeting. The kitchen is original (as in Victorian cupboards, not avant garde). The bathroom is early nineties, and is quite tired. I can’t see the value in redoing a kitchen and bathroom just to sell the house, because surely buyers would want to fit their own, to their own taste?

What do you think? Is it worth doing up a fixer upper yourself to shift the bloody thing, or persevering in the hope that a buyer comes along who understands what the phrase ‘fixer upper’ means, and is prepared to do the work in exchange for a good price?

OP posts:
DobbyTheHouseElk · 30/09/2021 07:49

Read the EA blurb, terrible. Sounds like it’s got huge problems.

I actually love it. I’m down south and a property like that would be 3x the price. The kitchen is fabulous.

GreenClock · 30/09/2021 07:56

“In need of modernisation” makes it sound like an arduous, enormous project that few people have the inclination for currently (WFH, difficulty getting tradespeople etc). I think that “needs cosmetic improvement” might be better. In your position i would list with a different agent after Christmas and get some minor jobs done meanwhile.

choixx · 30/09/2021 07:58

One thing I've noticed over the last few yrs is that houses that need work sell for considerably less then ones done up. I saw a house for sale end last yr for 900k but needed modernising. I didn't view it cause out of budget but it sold for 770k which was. I would never of assumed that price reduction. It needed updating but was still well kept if that makes sense.

CouldWeStartAgainPlease · 30/09/2021 08:00

Oh it's fine! I expected it to be needing much more modernisation. I love the purple room Blush

Not sure why you're not getting offers, people are finding it hard and expensive to get tradesmen at the moment, so it is entirely possible that is putting people off. We are looking and have decided against some major fixer uppers because we know realistically it will be years and £££££ before the work is done. Like others have said, people need to WFH without being in a building site and there is always uncertainty about future lockdowns.

It's really not that bad though and if that is the right price for it is sit tight (with some new blurb)

choixx · 30/09/2021 08:01

But then if you read on here offers are often seen as despicable, i've never sold or bought without some discount. Very normal in London

CrotchetyQuaver · 30/09/2021 08:02

Just completing the sale of our fixer upper today.

Very similar sounding to you, it's had tenants in for years, property is 30years old and could do with new kitchen, bathrooms, flooring and redecorate. But it's livable in, everything works and it ended up being bought by someone who is moving in and will get it updated bit by bit.

Took a couple of months to go under offer, but we got full asking price which is a record price for the development. Viewer feedback was never about the price, but other valid reasons why it wasn't right for them.

CouldWeStartAgainPlease · 30/09/2021 08:04

I'd word it as 'requires redocoration to buyers taste' or something.

I'd be sad if it all got painted white with grey carpets though Confused

Sd352 · 30/09/2021 08:05

It has so many beautiful features! Agree with others about painting the walls white (I think it would eventually look great in Farrow and Ball/Little Greene type of heritage chalky paints but the buyers would probably want to choose their own). You should have the EA take new photos, especially in the kitchen with the cupboards closed. Is it possible to hire furniture to stage the rooms to make their sizes and purpose clearer?

For example, I can’t quite tell if the kitchen is large enough to be an eat in kitchen. I am also struggling to see if there is enough space for all appliances (washing machine, maybe tumble dryer, fridge, freezer, dishwasher). The cupboards and sink are beautiful although the wood on wood is a bit much for me (easily fixed visually with a rug).

As others have said, in need of modernisation makes it sound like it needs new electrics, re-plumbing, new boiler. If that’s not the case, remove this phrase.

The cellar looks cold and unwelcoming. Could you remove the folding tables and odd picture and just show it as a completely empty space, probably for storage?

Paint the red wall in the room in photo 6 and also paint the cupboards. Replace (or even remove) the curtains and replace the carpet (not with grey - grey doesn’t suit the room). Paint the panelling and cupboard in the room in photo 7 and replace the carpet here as well. Also paint over the wallpaper border or remove it.

The bathroom is perfectly adequate — great size and the white suite is classic. Absolutely no need for a new bathroom. I would personally replace the floor tiles but probably not necessary. Is there any way to stage it to make it feel warmer though? The panelling should make it feel cosy like a sauna but instead it feels cold. If the rest of the house were being photographed furnished, would add some pretty soaps and candles in the alcoves by the toilet, some bathroom plants, maybe a textured bath mat and towel stand and towels.

Room in photo 9 is repainting and new carpet again. I would be inclined to leave the panelling unpainted but maybe painting it the same white as the walls will make the room look larger.

The garden really looks like a tunnel. Trimming the hedges right back and adding some garden furniture for scale would really help.

Photos 12 to 15 are a bit confusing as I can’t quite work out where these are in relation to the house (especially 13 and 14 and 15 looks like the back garden but doesn’t match the photos of the rest of the back garden, if you see what I mean). Could the agent add a floor plan that also indicatively shows the garden and outbuildings and provides approximate dimensions for those?

Good luck OP, it’s a lovely house with bags of charm and potential.

Calmdown14 · 30/09/2021 08:07

It's much better than I was expecting!
Think fixer upper is probably conveying more work than you have here. Liveable but room for improvement in time is more what you have.
Paint the panelling on the ceilings in the bathroom and paint those cupboard doors.
Kitchen could be painted easily too. Hard to see all of it.
The cellar pic is off-putting where it is. Should be ordered at the end with garden as useful extra space. It just adds to the run down feel positioned there.
Remove the sink from that room. Again, on first glance it looks like the bathroom and may stop anyone scrolling on so unsure why it is the focus of a picture

Ylvamoon · 30/09/2021 08:11

I think 45k below market price isn't enough for the work that is needed.

New kitchen will be in the region of 20k. Bathroom 10-15k ... that would leave 10k or less for the rest.

And my estimate is based on last year when we build an extension!

Tilltheend99 · 30/09/2021 08:13

@MustDust

I hate estate agents trying to sell me a house that has been done up to sell as it's usually a cheap patch and we'd have to do it all again anyway. We're putting right what I have called a house doctor special (I adored that programme), I'd rather they'd left it as it was.
This!

I would love to buy a fixer upper but they mostly seem to be put to auction for cash buyers only around here (south)

If you do rent it out again please make sure the condition is liveable.

MrsWooster · 30/09/2021 08:21

That house is lovely. New EA, token painting, including the fake wood panels; some limited staging.

FAQs · 30/09/2021 08:28

This sold for £220k in better condition and the layout is better for families www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=85961369&sale=91340991&country=england

I think yours would be better sold in the region of £185k - £190k with the work required.

TuftyMarmoset · 30/09/2021 08:50

Don’t do anything to the kitchen, i love the cupboards. But don’t expect first time buyers to be in your pool of potential buyers unless you redo the bathroom and anything else major like damp proofing. Usually any cash they have needs to go into the deposit so they don’t have the money to be doing lots of work on a place. If you judge there is £30k of work that needs doing and drop the price accordingly then that only saves them £3k of deposit iyswim so they wouldn’t be able to afford to do it despite the decreased price.

InaccurateDream · 30/09/2021 08:51

Don't do an auction! EAs suggest it because the whopping fees make money for them - not you or the buyer. The buyer loses the fees if anything happens to the sale. You won't achieve a good price.

A house we liked went to auction and no one bid at all! Ended up back on the market for months.

If your house has niche potential buyers they will turn up, it may just take a while.

MoreStuffingMatron · 30/09/2021 08:51

I sold similar for a profit after cheap refurb.

Agree with others it’s best to rent short term over the winter.

Blitz it as follows in March:
Suggest:

-painting all the wood in every room (panelling, doors, cupboards, skirting, mantelpieces, bookshelves) with a neutral cool white (timeless or something similar).
-ditto the feature walls
-consider painting kitchen floor also for Scandinavian look)
-either remove yellow basin or make it more functional- adding splash back, mirror, nice quartz shelf above, add holder for towel, toothbrush and rinsing glass
-deep clean in every room
-clean tile grouting in bathroom
-tidy the garden - add patio set & bbq

  • sort out the cellar

Is there any possibility of adding a parking space to the front? I assume this can’t be done at the back, as no access?

The back in the market before Easter

cestunestilo · 30/09/2021 08:54

If always try to find a true fixer upper. My suggestion is to change agents.

Feelslikealot · 30/09/2021 08:55

Oh yeah by the way just to clarify i said Frenchic paint because if you get the right one you don't need to do any prep. Just slap it on.

Dartfordwarblerautumn · 30/09/2021 09:18

Recently bought in June. One thing to take account of right now that I didn’t see anyone mention. Builders and trades are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find just now. When you do get someone you have to wait for weeks or months even for small jobs. And prices they charge have gone through the roof. A fixing up that may have cost £30k 2 years ago could now cost £50k.
I was put off looking at houses that needed work because of this . In the end due to shortages of houses I had to buy somewhere that does need some critical external work (roofs etc), I am still waiting to even get drawings done to apply to building regs etc let alone get builders in. I think it will be mid next year at earliest for that work to be completed.
If the house is all over in need of work then people would end up living in a dump for a long time. The only people who could really take it on are very competent DIY who have time and skill set to do work- and they’ll want it cheap
Think carefully though- whilst you can take on the house doctoring- if you need trades to do that you are in same situation- long waits, high prices

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 09:18

Thanks.

Photo 13 is the dedicated parking space off the private road at the front. It’s in front of the gate leading to the garden, and there is also on-street parking on the private road (view from photo 12).

I thought it was funny that the EA details made no mention of it. Or the woodburner.

The washing machine usually lives in the cellar, in the curtained off bit under the boiler.

Photos 14 and 15 are the back of the house, which is on the non-private road.

OP posts:
Porfre · 30/09/2021 09:26

Personally I wouldn't want to be buying a fixer upper af the moment. Just because I would worry about getting the building materials and people in who could work on it. I'd be worried about shortages.

Honestmary · 30/09/2021 09:34

If I were you I would do the following
Paint or ideally replace the front and back doors
Tidy up the gardens, maybe add some potted plants
Paint or change the wardrobe doors in the bedroom
Repaint the whole house in something like country cream
New carpets throughout, neutral colour or remove all the carpets, bare floorboards would be better than what’s there now
Remove the wooden panelling throughout
Remove the wall lights
Remove the description of needs modernisation
Remove the offers in excess of, that suggests you want more when you have said you are open to offers, this needs to be clear
State exactly how many parking spaces are available, this is important to a lot of people, we only looked at houses with enough space for two cars
I love the kitchen and fires and these will appeal to some people so I wouldn’t change anything there. The house has nice big rooms which is a great and as it’s unfinished people can see just how big there are, I wouldn’t add any furniture.
I’ve always found trades people are easier to get in during the colder months as their outside work dries up due to weather, check out local Facebook for recommendations, I’m only an hour or so away from you and our local Facebook is brilliant for this as I’m sure most trades people will travel up to an hour. Or check out ratedpeople.com.I would also get a few more estate agents out to get their views on it and take it from there. I wouldn’t re-rent as all that would do is delay the inevitable for another 6-12 months, good luck

springbabs · 30/09/2021 09:41

This is just the type of house I would buy were I in the market for one at present. I really cannot understand why it has not sold except that people cannot see the potential. In your position I would simply paint it in neutral coulours and put some furniture in so people can see what it would look like. Also, trim back the greenery in the garden. The kitchen and bathroom do not need changing, they just need to look lived in. Yes, I think a House Doctor makeover is needed. I loved that programme. Perhaps your EA is marketing it towards the wrong buyers.

BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 30/09/2021 09:48

I'd paint the coloured walls in a pale neutral, put some furniture and flowers in to stage it, do new photos and leave it at that. It's a decent house, in a decent area. Yes, the bathroom needs doing, but it's not a wreck.

New photos of the garden would also help, as well as staging the interior.

cittigirl · 30/09/2021 09:50

It's a lovely property but I think a house doctor spruce up will see it being snapped up. I dont think you need to spend thousands either. Good luck

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