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Was the House Doctor right all along?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 21:21

Name changed for this.

I’m selling a house that has been rented to tenants for ten years.

It’s a fixer upper. The estate agent has been told to market it as a fixer upper, to people who want a project. The EA put it on for an unrealistic price this summer, claiming that there was “plenty of interest at that price”. It’s a 3 bed Victorian terrace in a nice village in West Yorkshire. I made him drop the price a couple of weeks ago, by £30k, despite his protests that he was “confident of selling the house this year”. The low number of viewings, and the feedback, suggested otherwise. It’s still not shifting, even at the lower price.

It’s not a wreck, but it’s tired. Of course it is: it’s been tenanted for ten years, that’s why we’re selling it as a fixer upper. It’s on for £45k less than the top price that houses on the same terrace have sold for this year. It’s on at offers over £220k. Done up identical houses on the same terrace have sold for £265k.

My question is this: do buyers really want a true fixer upper, or do they expect to buy a house described as a fixer upper and only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect?

Our experience suggests the latter, and that the House Doctor (Anne Maurice…yes, I am old enough to remember her) was right all along. In other words, forget showing a house that needs a bit of work, because buyers can’t be arsed and you’re going to have to do it yourself so that buyers can “imagine themselves in the house” blah blah.

That’s an outcome I was kind of dreading because I’ve got no time for supervising effing house renovations. I don’t need to sell, just can’t be bothered with being a landlord any more. I’m flexible on price, hence the £30k reduction, but I don’t want to sell for a derisory amount, less than what I paid for it in 2006.

The feedback since the price drop is that, despite more viewers and the house being explicitly described on Rightmove as ‘in need of modernisation’, the viewers are all carping about “having to do too much work”, and that they wouldn’t make an offer at all, even below the reduced asking price!

The house has a damp cellar, like all of the houses on the same terrace. It needs redecorating and recarpeting. The kitchen is original (as in Victorian cupboards, not avant garde). The bathroom is early nineties, and is quite tired. I can’t see the value in redoing a kitchen and bathroom just to sell the house, because surely buyers would want to fit their own, to their own taste?

What do you think? Is it worth doing up a fixer upper yourself to shift the bloody thing, or persevering in the hope that a buyer comes along who understands what the phrase ‘fixer upper’ means, and is prepared to do the work in exchange for a good price?

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Bobsyer · 30/09/2021 00:40

I'm looking at that house thinking I could easily live with that and do nothing. Is it much shabbier looking in real life?

The more I learn about the property market the less I understand it. I think it's probably priced too much for FTB but it's also empty and featureless enough that anyone moving in could put their own stamp on it for £1000. I think people expect houses to be like new builds but not new builds.

bellabelly · 30/09/2021 00:44

If you want to watch a bit of House Doctor for inspiration, Channel Five are showing it in the early hours of Saturday morning at the moment. I only know this due to a recent bout of insomnia!

I really like the kitchen - please don't rip anything out.
The purple feature wall is really not my cup of tea and would put me off, despite only needing painting.
I think the pictures of the garden make it look really narrow. Is it actually that narrow? If so, pay someone to cut the hedges back hard. If the pics don't do it justice, then get some new pics done.
I think it's a greta house and a bargain at that price. Hope you find someone who's going to love it.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 01:03

If I saw your house I would think it was move-in-able, but ' in need of modernisation' would make me think I'd missed something. Was it your idea to say that or the agent?

It’s the agent’s choice of words. I just said, make sure that you tell potential viewers that it’s a bit of a fixer upper, then (1) we won’t waste time on pointless viewings with people who are expecting an immaculate house for £45k less than the immaculate house five doors down and (2) the house can be targeted to appeal to people who are looking for a bit of a project.

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ducksalive · 30/09/2021 01:05

In need of modernization would suggest to me it needs rewiring but if you have rented it out I'm guessing it is actually quite safe and secure.

Resilience · 30/09/2021 01:09

I feel your pain. Last house I sold was on the market for ages 'sold as seen' and priced to reflect. Didn't sell. Spent about £750 just painting, repairing and generally 'tarting up' and sold at asking price quite quickly. The majority of people really don't have the necessary imagination/inclination and you have to 'help' them.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 01:10

The garden isn’t that narrow. The photos of it are terrible and make it look like a tunnel!

The house doesn’t look worse than the photos. It does need a new carpet though, after the last tenant’s cat ripped holes in it! They also painted the wall purple, thanks tenants!

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JellyfishandShells · 30/09/2021 01:20

‘In need of modernisation’ immediately suggests to me a lot of major work like rewiring, electrics, new boiler/heating system and possible a new roof. What you have shown there is more like some TLC - mostly redecoration The damp cellar is more serious but that isn’t something you would put in the house advert.

A house in my road was advertised with just a photo of the front of the house and the description ‘ in need of modernisation’. We all knew that the owner was a reclusive man, who had lived there with his mother then carried on after she died. There was speculation about just what it was like inside but the lack of photos and the price tag of 2/3 of the going rate in a popular road in excellent school catchment was a bit of a clue that it was going to be a major renovation. It was.

Nat6999 · 30/09/2021 01:47

Paint all the walls & paintwork white, dress the kitchen & bathroom, some plants, even fake ones, nice towels in the bathroom, have you any furniture you could put In to give an idea of how it looks when lived in? A table & chairs for the kitchen, a sofa & rug for the lounge,. I think it maybe is because nobody can picture how it would look if it was lived in, you go to view a house & you see where the vendor has their sofa or table & then think what it would look like with yours in. It's hard to gauge sizes of rooms when you have nothing to refer to, a room can look tiny but if you see say a 3 seater sofa then you know that your 3 seater would fit.

Auroreforet · 30/09/2021 02:41

The estate agents description is too rambling.
Needs to be more bullet points for each room.
Also he doesn’t emphasise the period features such as the old stove in the cellar.
And you definitely needs to paint the walls and take the tatty old curtains down.
The photos are shocking.
Talk to Ribston Pippin in Menston.
Brilliant estate agent.

Izzy24 · 30/09/2021 03:04

What an amazing house with some fascinating features- that old range. And the sink in the kitchen. And the woodwork.

I think the Estate Agent is your biggest problem. Dreadful pictures and ‘priced to sell’ sounds desperate and as though there’s something dreadful you’re not mentioning.

Definitely get a new EA, lose the picture of the curtained off boiler, big up the original features.

(And paint the purple wall!)

romdowa · 30/09/2021 03:35

Your description made your house sound far worse. The kitchen and bathroom are fine, definitely not something that needs to be ripped out and replaced ASAP. Coloured walls do need to go though, I'd paint the wood panelling and the build in wardrobes in that bedroom. New carpet and some better pictures and I think you could sell it easily. Looks like somewhere that has a lot of potential but the decorating can put people off.

Sprostongreen21 · 30/09/2021 05:23

To be honest it looks better than I expected. Needs a bit of tic but easy to live with lovely features too.

MoltenLasagne · 30/09/2021 05:45

Definitely sack off the EA - the photos are dreadful and the description poor. Especially his suggestion to add "in need of modernisation" which to me means full rewiring and plumbing!

Personally I love the kitchen and can see past the purple wall although clearly many can't. The problem with photos of empty rooms is it's difficult to get an idea of size - hence why staging works so well. The worst to me though is the photo of the garden - looks extremely narrow.

Spiindoctor · 30/09/2021 06:12

Apart from the decor which is hideous, it has steep steps to the front door and doesn't look like you can park the car at the back, so no good for very old or families with babies.
In the past a doer upper was say 90K, or 150K. You can probably get a nicely decorated house for 245000 so who would buy your one.
I would decorate through in white or warm white. I like the range and woodburning stoves, I would say they're a selling point.
I would paint it right through and rent it.

Tellmesomethinggirl · 30/09/2021 06:25

Its a nice house! I would do some work on the main sitting room op.

I hope this doesn't sound offensive but the way the fireplace, mantel and shelving has been done looks to me like a bit of a bodge job, and that would make me wonder what else needed doing eg underneath all the tongue and groove in the other rooms!

The kitchen on the other hand has some lovely features which I would definitely keep. But it's hard to see from the photos what is on the other side of the kitchen.

I would definitely get in there with my bright cream/white paint and tart it up a bit. It's not so much replacing a full kitchen and bathroom as making it look superficially attractive as opposed to a bit dank and tired.

I would prettify the garden a bit too.

Tailendofsummer · 30/09/2021 06:40

I suppose if potential buyers worry it will be hard to get decorators, carpet and bathroom fitters in current times, all these issues also apply to the person trying to sell the damn thing! We have a much less lovely property for sale, needing done up, avocado bathroom for example, but also don't live anywhere near it which makes every thing that bit harder. Hope it works out for you OP

Atalune · 30/09/2021 06:48

Paint the plum walls white
New carpets
Stage the kitchen which is gorgeous!
Hedge trim, cut grass, set up eating area with tables and chairs pretty table cloth etc
Can you be bothered to stage with furniture?
Pay for better photos
Remove the description “in need of modernisation”
Take off the market and relist in 3 months.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 30/09/2021 06:56

If it’s clean and liveable, it’ll go - but at the right price. Unless it’s done on the very cheap, doing up always costs more than you fondly imagine - speaking from experience here, having done two.,

We had to sell my DM’s house - clean and liveable but very dated - after she finally needed to move to a care home because of dementia.
My DB handled the sale, and asked 3 EAs for quotes.

One of them said he’d give 3 prices.

  1. Optimistic, would take 6 months plus.
  2. More realistic, probably 3 months.
  3. I’ll sell it in a week.

DB went for 3, and he did.

There wasn’t actually a vast difference between 2 and 3. None of us lived very close so keeping the garden tidy would have been a PITA, plus we certainly didn’t want it empty, getting more and more forlorn and unloved, through the winter.

Feelslikealot · 30/09/2021 07:03

I think it's really got potential. Modernisation to me suggests new electrics, roof, basically everything. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. But if the electrics, boiler etc don't need doing and it's just cosmetic then id get a big load of white paint (Frenchic maybe) and paint all the brown wood white. Especially that panelling on the ceilings.

I wouldn't remove the toilet because the cellar could be an amazing work from home space, and having a toilet in your office would be a great advantage. I think if you staged it as a home office people wouldn't think "ew, dank cellar". That kitchen could be beautiful as it is - wax or oil all the doors and give it a really good spruce up it would be gorgeous and not cost you much. Strim the garden. And get a different agent because yours has put up terrible photos and description.

HagridHair · 30/09/2021 07:16

Gorgeous house!

BalloonSlayer · 30/09/2021 07:23

Omg I think it's gorgeous!! I love the kitchen so much and am green with envy.

No advice really but my sister always buys houses that when I visit for the first time I think WTF?? I come back a week later and she has painted everything white and I think, oh this is lovely, why couldn't I see it before?

custardbear · 30/09/2021 07:23

@AttaGirrrrl

Book decorator. Get the whole place painted magnolia. Book carpet fitter. Get basic beige/grey carpets throughout. Change estate agent. Remarket.
I'd also do this
BigGreen · 30/09/2021 07:29

There's no way I'd be taking on a fixer upper right now because of a shortage of tradespeople and materials and rocketing prices. Usually I'd prefer a fixer upper, so your buyer pool may be much smaller and more risk averse than usual, meaning lowering your price I guess?

maddiemookins16mum · 30/09/2021 07:37

@Sprostongreen21

To be honest it looks better than I expected. Needs a bit of tic but easy to live with lovely features too.
This 100%. The EA is having you on. Get another one in.
DobbyTheHouseElk · 30/09/2021 07:43

Wow, I love it.

It’s beautiful. I do have a thing for Victorian terraces. I have one as a rental, but it’s so so much smaller.

I love the kitchen.

Ditch the EA those photos are shocking.

Paint the purple room white. I’d paint the wooden panels in the bedroom white.

Borrow some staging furniture and put some flowers about. I think it will sell quickly.

The garden photos are dreadful. Looks like a passageway. Get the hedges cut right back to widen the garden. Stage that a bit, couple of chairs etc. I think it will sell easily.

The EA should be ashamed of himself actually. Photos are so bad.