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Was the House Doctor right all along?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 21:21

Name changed for this.

I’m selling a house that has been rented to tenants for ten years.

It’s a fixer upper. The estate agent has been told to market it as a fixer upper, to people who want a project. The EA put it on for an unrealistic price this summer, claiming that there was “plenty of interest at that price”. It’s a 3 bed Victorian terrace in a nice village in West Yorkshire. I made him drop the price a couple of weeks ago, by £30k, despite his protests that he was “confident of selling the house this year”. The low number of viewings, and the feedback, suggested otherwise. It’s still not shifting, even at the lower price.

It’s not a wreck, but it’s tired. Of course it is: it’s been tenanted for ten years, that’s why we’re selling it as a fixer upper. It’s on for £45k less than the top price that houses on the same terrace have sold for this year. It’s on at offers over £220k. Done up identical houses on the same terrace have sold for £265k.

My question is this: do buyers really want a true fixer upper, or do they expect to buy a house described as a fixer upper and only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect?

Our experience suggests the latter, and that the House Doctor (Anne Maurice…yes, I am old enough to remember her) was right all along. In other words, forget showing a house that needs a bit of work, because buyers can’t be arsed and you’re going to have to do it yourself so that buyers can “imagine themselves in the house” blah blah.

That’s an outcome I was kind of dreading because I’ve got no time for supervising effing house renovations. I don’t need to sell, just can’t be bothered with being a landlord any more. I’m flexible on price, hence the £30k reduction, but I don’t want to sell for a derisory amount, less than what I paid for it in 2006.

The feedback since the price drop is that, despite more viewers and the house being explicitly described on Rightmove as ‘in need of modernisation’, the viewers are all carping about “having to do too much work”, and that they wouldn’t make an offer at all, even below the reduced asking price!

The house has a damp cellar, like all of the houses on the same terrace. It needs redecorating and recarpeting. The kitchen is original (as in Victorian cupboards, not avant garde). The bathroom is early nineties, and is quite tired. I can’t see the value in redoing a kitchen and bathroom just to sell the house, because surely buyers would want to fit their own, to their own taste?

What do you think? Is it worth doing up a fixer upper yourself to shift the bloody thing, or persevering in the hope that a buyer comes along who understands what the phrase ‘fixer upper’ means, and is prepared to do the work in exchange for a good price?

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AmberLynn1536 · 29/09/2021 23:55

You really need to put a link up so we can see the level of work required, often a house that needs a new kitchen, bathroom and flooring will need a lot of behind the scenes work doing as well, ripping kitchens and bathrooms particularly in old properties just opens up a can of worms and possibly buyers realise this. From what you say I think it is still overpriced, your house is only 45k less than a top dollar done up house. Building costs have gone through the roof and it’s really hard to get trades to come and do the work, people don’t see your house as good value, let alone with the added hassle and stress of getting the work done.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 23:56

Thanks for all the great tips!

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SoundBar · 29/09/2021 23:57

It's worth the effort to paint and stage.

I sold my mostly completed Victorian fixer upper. Not only did I clear down every single surface and the floors shove everything in drawers I even ponced about putting fresh flowers around the place on the day the agent came to take pics Blush sold the day it listed.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 23:57

@AmberLynn1536

You really need to put a link up so we can see the level of work required, often a house that needs a new kitchen, bathroom and flooring will need a lot of behind the scenes work doing as well, ripping kitchens and bathrooms particularly in old properties just opens up a can of worms and possibly buyers realise this. From what you say I think it is still overpriced, your house is only 45k less than a top dollar done up house. Building costs have gone through the roof and it’s really hard to get trades to come and do the work, people don’t see your house as good value, let alone with the added hassle and stress of getting the work done.
See the link I posted on page 2.
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ducksalive · 29/09/2021 23:59

I would also hack the garden back a fair bit and maybe zone it a little, which I know sounds very 90's ground force but does work well for long thin gardens.

RobynNora · 30/09/2021 00:00

I know people looking to buy at the moment who are put off by fixer uppers because of the high cost of materials and shortage of labourers. It’s probably worth a bit of work first.

TheHouseILiveIn · 30/09/2021 00:01

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

For the sake of a few quid spent now, you could get more money for the house a little later on. I'd do it up a bit if I had the money.
This!
MorningLisa · 30/09/2021 00:02

The photos are atrocious! Why is the kitchen cupboard randomly open?

I think ditch the EA Confused

AmberLynn1536 · 30/09/2021 00:02

Thanks OP I had not got so far as the link when reading the thread!

PickAChew · 30/09/2021 00:06

only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect? such buyers deserve to be ripped off. You can do shite all for £500, despite click sit headlines in the metro.

notapizzaeater · 30/09/2021 00:06

@MorningLisa that's exactly what I thought, it just makes it look unloved

Angie1403 · 30/09/2021 00:08

@AttaGirrrrl

Book decorator. Get the whole place painted magnolia. Book carpet fitter. Get basic beige/grey carpets throughout. Change estate agent. Remarket.
White is the new magnolia 😉
TeachesOfPeaches · 30/09/2021 00:08

Lots of people are working from home and probably don't want to sit in a building site for months on end. Who knows when another lockdown could occur?

TheHouseILiveIn · 30/09/2021 00:13

You hyped the property up to seem like it needs loads doing! It's actually nice. I would just paint all the wood panelling white and paint the brown wardrobe doors. I also think the kitchen floor should be changed. Do that and I think it will fly off the shelf.

TheHouseILiveIn · 30/09/2021 00:14

I also agree with the PP who said to remove the part in the advert that says 'in need of modernisation'

PickAChew · 30/09/2021 00:15

The rooms are so well proportioned. It would scrub up well.

Something to consider, at the moment, us that it's quite hard to get contractors, especially for minor jobs. Good or popular ones are booked up as people are still playing catch up.

Materials are also scarce. We need to replace a fence. DH can do it himself but the size of panels we need has been unavqilable.for.months.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 00:17

I didn’t want the EA to show people around if they were expecting a house that was fully done. I agree that it’s not too bad. This thread has encouraged me to do some decorating, fit a new carpet and do a bit of cosmetic work.

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AmberLynn1536 · 30/09/2021 00:19

The house with some work could be absolutely lovely, it’s not in as bad a condition as I was expecting. I really like the kitchen and I would keep it, it’s a lovely feature, you can tell with a bit of TLC it could be a really nice house which makes me think what’s ringing alarm bells with buyers is the damp cellar, people see and smell damp and they immediately think costs and hassle. If you fixed the damp, painted throughout so it looks and smells fresh and clean and dressed the rooms with some furniture I think you would find a buyer easily.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 30/09/2021 00:21

I’m not a fan of the loo in the cellar (there when I bought the house). What about getting rid of that? Or is it adding value somehow?

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Peoniesandpeaches · 30/09/2021 00:22

@LCDP

I think in this market, especially at this price point and in the north where prices have sky rocketed in the last 12 months, some people who were open to a ‘fixer upper’ are finding that these new house prices leave people with no money left to do the fixing. Add into that the significant lead times on labour and inflation in material prices, this is a financially risky time to be dipping toes in renovation unless you have comfortable savings. People are also dealing with a mindset problem, because last year the same budget would have bought a sparkling house, and now it only buys something like your fixer upper. Is your house currently tenanted? One consideration is that you ideally do not want to leave it empty over winter or it may create new problems.
I agree. We’ve been looking at houses but when we add up the increased cost of doing them up and the time/practicalities of it (with some we’d need to stay out in our flat while work was done) they’ve been not worth it for us which is a shame as we’re now seeing homes we felt had huge potential being put back on the market a couple of months later as ugly gray monstrosities for stupid money.
TheHouseILiveIn · 30/09/2021 00:24

@Kirstiesshirtdress

I didn’t want the EA to show people around if they were expecting a house that was fully done. I agree that it’s not too bad. This thread has encouraged me to do some decorating, fit a new carpet and do a bit of cosmetic work.
They will have seen the photos so they will know what to expect. The house is nicer than you think. I think it's just psychological things like the colours in the house and the language in your description. If I saw your house I would think it was move-in-able, but ' in need of modernisation' would make me think I'd missed something. Was it your idea to say that or the agent?
ElizabethTudor · 30/09/2021 00:25

I actually think the kitchen is fine.
(Maybe it looks worse in real life!!) but I’d be quite happy with as is. I’d change the tiles in time, but it’s fine for now.
But I would slap neutral paint in the lounge, and on all of the woodwork (including the wardrobes).

ElizabethTudor · 30/09/2021 00:27

@Kirstiesshirtdress

I’m not a fan of the loo in the cellar (there when I bought the house). What about getting rid of that? Or is it adding value somehow?
I was also going to say, but forgot, I wonder if the fact the only loo being on the second floor is also an issue. I didn’t realise there was one in the cellar. In which case, no, I wouldn’t get rid of it. If anything, highlight it, cos I missed it.
2Two · 30/09/2021 00:28

On house search programmes like Escape to the Country and Location x3, people who say they're up for a project inevitably get cold feet when shown something that needs any more than a coat of paint.

KloppsTeeth · 30/09/2021 00:30

I was surprised at the difference in your description to the photos. The photos aren’t great.

I would:
Paint everywhere in Timeless paint (very popular)
Buy some wrap vinyl to put over the brown wardrobe doors.
Paint all the wood panelling white
Change the tiles in the kitchen, perhaps just add this tile stickers.
The kitchen cupboard doors look very “dry”. I’d be tempted to put oil or wax on them.
Do as suggested by a pp, hack the garden right back as much as you can. Zone it off, even if you put a diagonal layer of bricks at intervals.