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Was the House Doctor right all along?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 21:21

Name changed for this.

I’m selling a house that has been rented to tenants for ten years.

It’s a fixer upper. The estate agent has been told to market it as a fixer upper, to people who want a project. The EA put it on for an unrealistic price this summer, claiming that there was “plenty of interest at that price”. It’s a 3 bed Victorian terrace in a nice village in West Yorkshire. I made him drop the price a couple of weeks ago, by £30k, despite his protests that he was “confident of selling the house this year”. The low number of viewings, and the feedback, suggested otherwise. It’s still not shifting, even at the lower price.

It’s not a wreck, but it’s tired. Of course it is: it’s been tenanted for ten years, that’s why we’re selling it as a fixer upper. It’s on for £45k less than the top price that houses on the same terrace have sold for this year. It’s on at offers over £220k. Done up identical houses on the same terrace have sold for £265k.

My question is this: do buyers really want a true fixer upper, or do they expect to buy a house described as a fixer upper and only have to spend £500 on it to make it perfect?

Our experience suggests the latter, and that the House Doctor (Anne Maurice…yes, I am old enough to remember her) was right all along. In other words, forget showing a house that needs a bit of work, because buyers can’t be arsed and you’re going to have to do it yourself so that buyers can “imagine themselves in the house” blah blah.

That’s an outcome I was kind of dreading because I’ve got no time for supervising effing house renovations. I don’t need to sell, just can’t be bothered with being a landlord any more. I’m flexible on price, hence the £30k reduction, but I don’t want to sell for a derisory amount, less than what I paid for it in 2006.

The feedback since the price drop is that, despite more viewers and the house being explicitly described on Rightmove as ‘in need of modernisation’, the viewers are all carping about “having to do too much work”, and that they wouldn’t make an offer at all, even below the reduced asking price!

The house has a damp cellar, like all of the houses on the same terrace. It needs redecorating and recarpeting. The kitchen is original (as in Victorian cupboards, not avant garde). The bathroom is early nineties, and is quite tired. I can’t see the value in redoing a kitchen and bathroom just to sell the house, because surely buyers would want to fit their own, to their own taste?

What do you think? Is it worth doing up a fixer upper yourself to shift the bloody thing, or persevering in the hope that a buyer comes along who understands what the phrase ‘fixer upper’ means, and is prepared to do the work in exchange for a good price?

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 22:31

@Hollyhead

I think rocketing inflation is going to imminently put downwards pressure on house prices. I’d lower the price and get it off your hands!
I have lowered the price, by £30k, but still nobody wants to make an offer even below the current asking price! I’m getting plenty of viewings but not offers. So whilst you’re correct that the price was an issue initially, I think that the problem is reluctance to take on the work, despite the house being explicitly described as being in need of modernisation.

I’m not selling it for 50p just to get rid, because I don’t need to.

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 22:33

@Feelslikealot

If it'll be worth 265 once it's done up, and you want offers over 220, maybe people don't think it's worth the effort of it needs new bathroom, poss kitchen and complete redecoration. It could cost £30k to do it nicely. No developer will take that risk for £15k.
Maybe not, but it’s not getting any offers AT ALL, despite my having told the estate agent to convey to viewers that there’s a deal to be done.

Which is why I think that there’s a very small number of people who want to do more than paint the walls and put in a bathroom of their choice. Hence wondering why I should just do it myself, even though I really cannot be arsed.

Worst case scenario, I do it up then tenant it again.

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Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 22:34

Wondering WHETHER I should do it myself, that should say!

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Takingabreakagain · 29/09/2021 22:35

You can set a reserve price for your auction so if it didn't meet your minimum you would just not sell it.
Mine is being put into an eBay type of auction where it's online for a couple of weeks and prospective buyers bid on there instead of a one day type one.

CraftyGin · 29/09/2021 22:37

Along with other things people have said about House Doctor, I think she advocated spending around 1% of the asking price on repairs and updates.

Cheesepuff1 · 29/09/2021 22:39

I love buying do-er uppers but I'd want at least 25k clear profit for doing so as its hard work! so depends how much really needs spent. add 40% to what you think it would cost someone at the moment..

EducatingArti · 29/09/2021 22:41

Please can you post a link?

Icepinkeskimo · 29/09/2021 22:44

OP this topic is food for thought, and may go against the grain and opinions of others.
We are now at the end of September realistically the quietest time of the year for sales. Combined with solicitors being on a slower than go slow I would suggest this.
Take the house of the market, you can do a short term rental and then put it back on the market early spring time.
This will also give you time to 'house doctor' it. Set a budget and keep to it, even doing a clean or re-grout of the tiles although a tedious undertaking can transform the bathroom.
Light and clean works every time, estate agents will say anything to close the deal, so go with your gut instinct.

Councilworker · 29/09/2021 22:44

I think I've found it. Is there a yellow sink in a bedroom?
The kitchen would not put me off. I think I'd probably paint white throughout. Take the border down from above the wood panelling. If I could I'd get rid of the sink and the wood panelling too in that room. Possibly paint the panel ceiling in the bathroom .
The photos are not good. I couldn't work out what the room was shown after kitchen but it must be the cellar. I think the house needs staging/dressing so people can imagine themselves there.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 29/09/2021 22:45

If people buy a do-er upper they want to make a profit. It sounds like yours, to be worth 265, needs new bathroom, redecoration and flooring, cellar tanking and new doors. I think it may still be overpriced. I'd suggest lower the price to under 200k or do it up yourself

Atalune · 29/09/2021 22:51

Can you

Paint all fresh white.
Rip off wall cupboards, freshen what’s left and put up some scaffold board shelves. Tart up with plants.
Re carpet.
Cheap new bathroom Fromm b and q?

Could all be done for about….£7k

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 29/09/2021 22:54

I just found it too. Looks like a reasonably spacious place. Loos only on the top floor and cellar which is not great. Really, really badly presented. Even if it's being sold as 'you might want to do some work' I think you can make it look more loved than it does in these photos. Paint would be a good start - purple is not a great lounge colour for selling a house, paint some of the wood panelling as it is very heavy, sand the kitchen floorboards as it all just looks unkempt. I like the kitchen though think it needs a tidy and spruce and the blue tiles are not great. You might well increase the appeal dramatically with just a week's work.

mummabubs · 29/09/2021 22:59

We're one of the mad ones who recently bought a fixer upper and now have no money to do the reno any time soon 🤣 For us the location of our new home meant that we didn't mind taking on work over a long period of time as the mountain views were the main selling point.

I agree with Must Dust. We viewed lots of properties which had been done up to sell and we were put off by it- usually things were done on the cheap and looked it, or it was nice and new but not to our taste at all so we'd still want to change it and have to pay for the privilege of the seller having done it up too. So personally I wouldn't go down that route beyond a lick of paint.

Obviously I don't mind a reno project but the one thing that sticks out from your op is you mention a damp cellar. This would probably put me off as that can be very costly to remedy and may indicate that there'd be more damp elsewhere in the house. (I lived in several damp houses during my student days and vowed never again!!)

EducatingArti · 29/09/2021 22:59

The problem with wooden panelling is that people don't know what is underneath and think that the entire room may need a replaster!

OakPine · 29/09/2021 22:59

FTBs generally no longer have any budget to do something up because they are stretching to buy anything.
Your target market will be landlords and they will only do it up if there is a clear profit.
At the moment as I'm sure you are aware, there are both supply chain issues with materials, and problems getting a builder, so other landlords may be reluctant to take that risk.

In your position, I'd take it off the market, and spend some money to get it ready for the next let. Then either you let it out again, or you sell it ready.

justasking111 · 29/09/2021 23:16

@AttaGirrrrl

Book decorator. Get the whole place painted magnolia. Book carpet fitter. Get basic beige/grey carpets throughout. Change estate agent. Remarket.
Please not magnolia. It's too yellow. We used snowdrop in our rentals with charcoal grey flecked carpet cheap as chips. The price of builders merchants materials have skyrocketed increasing month on month. That's when you can get them

Make it clean and fresh then folks can at least face the kitchen and bathroom as funds permit in the future. OH and find a second estate agent

AgathaX · 29/09/2021 23:19

Building materials are currently difficult to get hold of, even the basics like plaster. That may well be putting developers off just now. I'd personally do enough work to get new tenants in, then try again at selling next year when things have probably calmed down a little, materials will hopefully be available again, and people will feel a little bit more confident in the market for taking on a do-er upper.

Kirstiesshirtdress · 29/09/2021 23:21

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/109427003#/?channel=RES_BUY

Le voila!

And the sink in the bedroom is AVOCADO, not yellow. Yes, it is terrible.

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justasking111 · 29/09/2021 23:23

Clean and bright is the key

Was the House Doctor right all along?
justasking111 · 29/09/2021 23:29

Charming property and garden. Paint all the panelling in the place with. Vinyl silk. Paint all the migraine inducing plum walls. Buy cheap plain curtains. Replace tired carpets. I could live with that kitchen and bathroom until I had funds

hotcrossbun22 · 29/09/2021 23:34

Personally I am lazy and struggle to see what a house 'could be' so would look for something that required little work. I don't necessarily think you need to add new kitchen and bathroom in my opinion. Could you maybe just brighten it up a bit with a lick of paint?

hotcrossbun22 · 29/09/2021 23:39

I did not see the link you had posted before commenting. I do not think it is as old fashioned as what I thought on your first post! I expected an avocado full bathroom suite. I do think that the modernisation comment on listing should come out as it just puts a negative in my head. The kitchen and bathroom is more than liveable. I stand by original comment of brightening it up with white and getting some fresh carpets in there.

ducksalive · 29/09/2021 23:40

I agree with @justasking111
I would also stage the property, it looks so much better than just empty.

It has the bones of a lovely house.

We sold our house (a couple of years age) after it had been rented out. Our agent assured us it would fly out due to location ( it wasn't lovely) It sat all summer until I painted everything cream, steam cleaned the carpets, replaced some blinds cheaply and staged with cheap, on the smaller side furniture.
Then I had two offers.

justasking111 · 29/09/2021 23:48

I would also paint all those bedroom cupboards the mantelpiece and shelves alongside

justasking111 · 29/09/2021 23:52

Painted furniture can look amazing. instagram.com/twinsfitltd?utm_medium=copy_link