SATS

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Hi all, other than trying to cobble together a list of the spelling list by asking our children and other parents, does anyone know when the spelling test will be released?

Thanks

If she is ‘terrible’ at phonics, then she won’t be able to decode new words. Sight reading won’t help. That needs fixing.

And smacks of poor teaching.

she reads absolutely fine and despite missing around 60 percent of her education her average reading scores are 112.
phonics is not for everyone :)

🙄 How does she decode new words then?

she can easily read any age 11 chapter books and her comprehension is great. Not every student fits in a box there is many reasons some may have to learn to read differently.

You haven’t answered the question.

Fucking hell, it’s supposed to be a supportive thread about SATs, not a bunfight about phonics.

By reading and reading and learning words, she astonished us all by the way she went from being practically unable to read to being a free reader in the space of 18 months. She has significant speech errors and speech delay and phonics sounds would make the word eligible.
her overal academic ability has been overall compromised by missing school for reasons beyond her control
but despite missing most of reception all of year 1 and 2 half of year 3, half of year 4 and half of year 5 she is
working at / GD in reading comp
working towards in spag ( average score of around 97/8 )
maths Around the 100 mark but not solid at working at.

her learning is adapted in every way for her and we are so thankful but other children don’t have the adaptions made

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I mean it was not my intention

Right, so using her phonics then!

It only takes 18 months to learn to read - that’s why I said I didn’t accept that this year’s cohort would be affected by lockdown.

No not using her phonics, she can not do phonics
she learns via sight reading - that was a type error.

but you believe what you want to believe and carry on with the original thread

I think I know my DC slightly better

You can’t read a new word by sight! It’s literally impossible.

5 up in maths? I hope not!

no but over time you build up your knowledge of words. When we read we don’t still sound out our words do we. So far at this age there is not any words she has read when she is reading her chapter books for age appropriate level that she can not read by sight.
short of getting her to nicely read you a book and then attempt phonics there is not much I can do to
prove to you that she is a fluent reader and age appropriate without being able to decode.

oh I thought it was 4 🤣🤣 maybe 58 then hahaha

Latest brain research shows that yes, we do decode new words using our phonics. There isn’t any other way to do it, other than someone telling you what the word is. I’m sure you haven’t told yir dd what every single word is - so she is using her phonics.

Ok

https://www.phonics.org/how-the-brain-learns-to-read/

I said ok 🤣

I mean she wouldn’t pass a year 2 phonics test but would a year 6 reading exam
so I’m happy with her and her abilities and she is proud to
so however she is doing it is working 🤙

Sorry I do have one more question though
it works with meaning of words, so for a child to be able to read it is not only about being able to say the words but being able to comprehend the words they are reading which decoding does not do so why is it beyond imagination that same children have to know the meaning and context of words by being exposed to a range of words and their meaning but is not possible to achieve the learning to read the words the same ways ?

I think because the way to new words is phonics. So either you have to be taught phonics, or you pick it up along the way by osmosis. But by definition you can't accurately read new words without using phonics.

Decoding is one (hugely important) aspect of reading and the only way to learn how to decode words is through phonics.

Reading encompasses many more skills, of course - and phonics is never taught in isolation because of this. But children cannot read without it, because they wouldn’t be able decode a word in the first place.

I can’t believe no one has commented on the appalling mistake in the reading paper!

In the text it says 'She played recklessly at first, too eager to win games as quickly as possible.'
That's why they have to have 'too' in order to show that they understand that it was her over-eagerness that lead to her being reckless.

But they are not so bothered about missing a word in their own question, which was not done under timed conditions and presumably passed multiple checks 🤷‍♀️

You pointed it out, I saw it and thought ‘that’s shit’.

Well they’re not going to put in the mark scheme ‘we missed a word in a question so you can write whatever you want and get a mark’, I guess!