SATS

[Munchathon]

Hi all, other than trying to cobble together a list of the spelling list by asking our children and other parents, does anyone know when the spelling test will be released?

Thanks

I have only looked at the maths so far. Was surprised by the amount of fractions questions in the arithmetic paper. Wish we had practiced more of those! Reasoning papers seemed a bit easier than previous years, in that from the wording of the question it was more obvious what calculation was required.

I see they're all here (if anyone hasn't posted the link yet):

https://www.sats-papers.co.uk/ks2-sats-papers/

What a load of old rubbish. The mark scheme for the reading paper is ridiculous.
Do accept “she’s too eager to win, she’s so eager”
Do not accept “she’s eager to win”

Do accept “someone to help you learn”
Do not accept “someone to help you”.
I get there is more of a difference with the latter but I’m sure a lot of kids will have been caught out. There are 10/11 for crying out loud.

Sounds pedantic.When are papers allowed to be discussed?

Now. They have been published.

There’s a few teachers not happy about the marking scheme for reading

I had a look at the papers last night as I have 3 tutees that sat SATS last week. I think the papers were reasonable this year, the reading booklet especially. Whilst this might have made for a more pleasant experience for those sitting the exams - less stress over difficult texts/questions - the reading mark scheme is brutal and I fear the grade boundaries for the others may be higher than in recent years because of this.

I don’t understand how she’s so eager to win gets a mark but she’s eager to win doesn’t, I do not think my DC will get 100 on the reading paper.

I think the subtle difference is that she plays carelessly because she is too eager to win, with a negative connotation. Being simply eager to win isn’t necessarily negative. It’s beyond me how a 10 years old is expected to know this in an open question. It would have been ok in a multiple choice type of question, but definitely not in an open question. That’s my opinion anyway.

When you say the others you mean the maths and spag?

Surely if the mark scheme was brutal it will be easier to pass/get greater depth as majority might slip up on those questions?

Tbf it was only a handful of questions where the mark scheme was particularly challenging and the quirks get ironed out in moderation.

I don't actually have a problem with very challenging questions.

Moderation?

The pedantry is confined to the answers of 10/11 year olds, who must be word perfect in a timed test. It does not extend to their own question writing and checks, however…..

It never moves far though but a mark or 2 either way.

The maths is interesting because children can have a array of things they are god at in maths and some things they are not so good at.
or they have missed slightly more of a subject to ill health etc which sort of usually okay because the multiple topics covered means if they miss a few marks in one they get a few in other areas but I sound the maths this year very streamlined and narrow content. Meaning some may do very well but some will do quite badly don’t think it gave them enough variety to show of skills in areas

Not strictly accurate - reading moved down 5 marks just 2 years ago.

My prediction this year will be the cut off for 100 will be 28 for reading

59 for maths

Yeah, that’s a fair prediction, you might well be right. And GDS reading up to 41.

This is why when teachers not implying all teachers but in some schools who “ help “ imply answers or indicate wrongs one etc are not really helping 🤣

Although I do say that it is possible that reading ability it self overall will be lower because their phonics years were disrupted for this cohort.

Makes me absolutely furious. Happened to my ds and I reported his school to STA. They wanted his name to take it any further so they could dock him the mark in question, so I left it there as he was borderline. So wrong.

I don’t accept that - the effect on decoding would be negligible 5 years later.

I’m not hopeful 🤣🤣 I’m pretty sure my DC teacher eye balled the exams and he is has been emailing me about special consideration since for evidence so I’m pretty sure they have not done great !

You would be surprised, my DC missed year 1 and year 2 due to Covid ( a lot children for different reasons has a lot longer off than the average child ) and she was not “ unique “ in that. She could not read in year 4 now in year 6 she can read but still terrible at phonics 🤣🤣🤣 she luckily had an advantage because we quickly realised that sight reading was better for her but even then it was a huge struggle to get the school to allow it.
year 1 and 2 are very phonics heavy years

they would have many children playing catch up but still having to complete the up to date curriculum at the same time.