ok, ds2 claims the teacher pushed him, what can I expect to happen?

[kittywise]

Ds2(8) has a supply teacher covering for a teacher on maternity leave.
The class do not like the supply teacher, but I have said to ds2 that he just has to put up with it etc.
Today he came home and told me she had pushed him on the chest when telling him to sit back down.
Now he can be a naughty boy at times, not awful, just pushing the boundaries like many 8 year old boys, I am under no illusions.
After great questioning and giving him a chance to 'retract ' the statement I phoned the head and told him what ds had told me.
So, now what can I expect to happen?
I wish none of this had happened, either way it's a very tricky situation.

explain please cornsilk?

I think a child who refuses to sit down when asked to by a teacher needs a bloody good talking to tbh

Reacting to what your ds had said without tlking to the teacher first. Was your ds being disruptive? Why did she need to act in this way? Give her the chance to explain herself.

You really think it's ok for a teacher to push a child?
This isn't about him being naughty.

I don't have a problem with him being told off when naughty and have always supported the school and he is told to abide by the rules and take his punishment if he breaks rules, doesn't do as told etc.

it is the pushing of him by an adult that I have an issue with.

Tend to agree with Twiglett, tell off the child first as he started the problem and then, just then, deal with the teacher.

Twiglet, he WAS sitting down, he was leaning forward to look at something and she pushed him back.

cross posted!

Yes but Kittywise it isn't as straightforward as telling him to as your ds seems to have proven.
FWIW I agree with you that it shouldn't have happened but I would have spoken to the teacher first before going to the head.
There are some silly rules about physical contact which I think are very sad. My mum (also a primary school teacher) told me to make it clear to dd's teacher that I was very happy for hugs etc when she first started school. Can you imagine the upset and hurt achild would feel if they came to you for a hug and got told no .

So what you are saying is that a teacher can push a child if feeling provoked enough, do I understand this correctly?

well... TBH I agree the teacher should not have done that, but I do also think that you are overreacting a bit...

Bypassing the teacher and going straight to the head, way to go girl. You will be the talk of the staff room.

No tmmj, I don't but neither do I think it is ok to push a little boy.

it is an inadequate teacher indeed who has such poor self control

There are degrees of pushing though. A guiding hand, a gentle push to remind and a shove . Either of the first two would be fine as far as I am concerned actually.

I think you have taken DS' word for it, got up in arms and called the head. Now you're in an emotional state which is understandable and anybody would be feeling like this with their own child telling them something like this.

I think 'pushing' and 'nudging' and 'encouraging' and 'shoving' are not interchangeable.

I hope I would have taken DS' word for it, told him I would speak to the teacher in the morning and gone to speak to the teacher. If after our discussion I was still unhappy with her take on the situation then I could take it further.

I hope I would have asked why he didn't sit down in the first place. Why he had to be asked to 'sit back down'

I think 8 year olds are rather good at telling stories so that they are 'angels' and everyone else is wrong, including teachers.

Perhaps I should have approached her first. Well, she won't be there for much longer.
As far as the other teachers are concerned, they know me well enough to know that I do not, as a rule, over react

I do not think it is okay for a teacher to push a child. However, sometimes (actually more than sometimes) children can exaggerate things. You should really have spoken to the teacher first.

so now he was leaning forward to look at something? oh it sounds so innocent doesn' it?

how come she was initially telling him to 'sit back down'???

different perspectives on the same situation are needed .. and I'd be inclined to get an adult's perspective first and make it clear to DS that I was going to do so.

but it's too late now

I wish you luck with a good resolution to this.

The whole class hate her, I feel a bit sorry for her she seems very uptight.

what a sad situation. I bet she's miserable.

thanks twiglet, but surely it's of no importance WHAT he was doing.

If he's been disobedient, find an appropriate punishment by all means.

In my opinion there is no situation baring self defence/ protection of another child that warrents pushing a child.

I am beginning to feel sorry for a lot of teachers reading some of the threads on here at the moment. I think we as parents expect so much. It almost puts me off applying for my PGCE...however that is another thread.
Good Luck. I am sure it will resolve itself but I would expect the teacher to be a bit upset with you tbh.

Sounds like your ds knew exactly how you'd react to this. My ds's probably wouldn't even have mentioned it tbh.

I don't have an issue with people 'pushing' my child in the context of 'sit back down'

I would have an issue with a shove, or something that caused pain. If DS had said 'teacher hurt me' I'd have an issue

But I just don't with the laying on of hands to be honest.

I do have an issue with my child being a cheeky brat though. And would get the adult's perspective first.

Anyawy as I said this isn't helping, speak to the teacher tomorrow and explain that you spoke to the head, but you would like her side of it too