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ok, ds2 claims the teacher pushed him, what can I expect to happen?

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kittywise · 12/03/2008 16:58

Ds2(8) has a supply teacher covering for a teacher on maternity leave.
The class do not like the supply teacher, but I have said to ds2 that he just has to put up with it etc.
Today he came home and told me she had pushed him on the chest when telling him to sit back down.
Now he can be a naughty boy at times, not awful, just pushing the boundaries like many 8 year old boys, I am under no illusions.
After great questioning and giving him a chance to 'retract ' the statement I phoned the head and told him what ds had told me.
So, now what can I expect to happen?
I wish none of this had happened, either way it's a very tricky situation.

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 08:28

Then she can send him to the head. I can recollect teaching boys of his age and them just being very exuberant, and fidgity, like they had ants in their pants. It's hardly the crime of the century. You've got to pick your battles. I think she is choosing the wrong ones. If I had been teaching him I would have ignored it.

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ScienceTeacher · 15/03/2008 08:31

What if he ignores her again? If he's not going to do something simple like sit down, why would he comply immediately with an instruction to go to the head?

ScienceTeacher · 15/03/2008 08:32

Oh, and a teacher can't ignore a child that is standing up (against instructions), when everyone else is sitting down. How chaotic would that be?

Blandmum · 15/03/2008 08:35

The knock on effect to 'fidgity boys' (who's parents are 'agin' the teacher anyway) would be huge.

Dealing with a single child isn't the same as dealing with a classfull. As I'm sure you remember from your time in teaching

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 08:57

That's right, you two are blowing this out of all proportion. He's just a normal kid.
I can't carry on this conversation if you're going to be like this.
So ST you're very odd conclusion is that my son would disobey an order to go to the head because he needs to be told a couple of times to sit down on his bottom?
You and I obviously live in very, very different worlds.
This thread now has become a too obtuse for me. It defies all logic now.
If a teacher can't control a fidgit without physically ' 'assulting' him then she's crap and shouldn't be teaching.
Kids are naughty sometimes, that's life.

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ScienceTeacher · 15/03/2008 09:02

Yeah, we are the ones that are blowing it out of proportion....

Naughty 8 year olds turn into naughty 14 year olds, and their naughtiness infects the whole class. That's why it has to be nipped in the bud, not justified.

hercules1 · 15/03/2008 09:03

I can only repeat what I already said. If you truly believe your son was physically assaulted why on earth havent you gone to the police? Why have you allowed your son to be in the same room as her again? Why has your head allowed her to remain in a class with children? WHy are you talking to other 8 year olds about what their teacher is doing???

hercules1 · 15/03/2008 09:05

You are right Kitty, this thread defies all logic now.

Btw I have no issue at all with your son. SOunds like a normal 8 year old and it's ridiculous to compare him to a 14 year old up to no good. However I do wonder what damage this incident will cause him and the others in teh class unless the gossiping stops against parents.

Blandmum · 15/03/2008 09:21

If you think she asaulted him, you should take it further.

If you don't think she asaulted him, you should let it drop, and should avoid the term

mrz · 15/03/2008 10:21

My personal belief is that "sending a child to the head" sends out the message the teacher can't cope.

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 10:25

I agree with that. Pushing a child also means she can't cope.

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hercules1 · 15/03/2008 10:27

Kittywise,could you answer my questions please?

catzy · 15/03/2008 10:47

Have you considered the fact the your DS may not be telling the truth? He has already made it clear that he does not like this teacher. Also if your DS was kneeling and the teacher was standing over him it would be difficult to put his hand on his chest.

Consider how the conversation went with DS. Did he mention very matter or fact or was he very upset about it. Did he get more upset when he saw/heard your reaction.

I'm not saying your ds is a liar I'm just trying to put another point across for you to consider.

Try to stay calm with the school/head and you will get alot further. As you can imagine they get alot of allegations and can only take action with proof. Remember innocent before proven guilty.

Hope you get this sorted.

LadyEleanor · 15/03/2008 10:54

I'm bored of you now KW. There's nothing wrong with my comprehension. You are clearly unable to accept that the majority of posters on this thread have disagreed with your point of view. Why did you post this in the first place? I suspect because you thought that everyone would validate your hysteria. They haven't, get over it. No, I wasn't there when this happened, but then neither were you. The difference is that I have merely expressed an opinion on a message board, whereas you have gone bleating to the Head, discussed the alleged incident with other parents, and undermined a teacher who (whether you like it or not)is in charge of your son's class. Well done.

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 11:02

hercules, I haven't discussed the teacher with my son's friends. When they come round to play and it's feeding time they seem to discuss her a lot with each other.
I tell them to keep their heads down and just get on with the work and stay out of trouble.

As far as her being allowed to remain in class with my son I think it is much more complicated than that. he has alledged he was pushed. She says she has nor recollection of this event. it is her word against his.

What I think the head is doing is collecting information. As far as I'm concerned she has had a warning. I do not think she will be doing it again and I'm sure she will be thinking before she acts. I know that my son has the support of the head who has told him he must go straight to him if anything like this happens again. So in that sense I feel that my son is protected and will be ok. If I thought she was going to pick on him and make his life a misery I would take him out. She went too far and now it has been dealt with to my satisfation.

I hope that answers you question hercules

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hercules1 · 15/03/2008 11:06

You see for me a warning after physically assaulting my son wouldnt be enough. Has she had a warning? If she had and was innocent then I expect her to be onto her union. As a teacher I would never accept a warning for physically assaulting a child if I hadnt actually done it.
You and I are very different. I would never let my children discuss their teacher in that way in the first place. not

hercules1 · 15/03/2008 11:12

I just can't get my head round this. Your head is going along with your son having been assaulted but you all feel a warning is enough and the teacher seems to have accepted that despite having no apparent recollection of the event. Surely an investigation needs to take place.

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 11:30

I guess the way the head and I view it is that it's hardly the crime of the century, that she most probably didn't intend to do it, it was a knee jerk reaction and she's a human being, however, it is more than nothing. For me it is enough that is has been brought to the school's attention and to hers too.

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hercules1 · 15/03/2008 11:35

Well, we are definetly different people then. If my son had been physcically assaulted it would be the crime of the century. If I were the teacher I would feel the accusation was also the crime of teh century if it were untrue.
I am also very uncomfortable with your head who seems to be acting incredibly unprofessionally in all this.

mrz · 15/03/2008 11:47

There are clear protocols that a head teacher must follow in the case of allegations against teachers which from the OPs account don't seem to have been followed which suggests it isn't being taken too seriously.

hercules1 · 15/03/2008 11:49

Yes, but the op is now saying her child has been physically assaulted yet is happy that these protocols haven't been followed by the head and in fact seems happy that hte head is being incredibly unprofessional in all this.

mrz · 15/03/2008 11:58

I think the head has made the noises the OP wishes to hear and agree from her account the head appears to be totally unprofessional in their handling of the situation. But like the first incident we are not in possession of the full details/facts and therefore can only judge from the OPs take on the situation.

Flight · 15/03/2008 12:06

Oh fgs hasn't this gone round in circles for long enough?

KW you have my permission to stand down

Some people just can't bear to lose an argument or agree to disagree, it would seem.

There is nothing new to say on either side - let's just drop it shall we?

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kittywise · 15/03/2008 13:49

And down I stand, have a nice weekend all

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ScienceTeacher · 15/03/2008 14:04

Methinks the head is humouring the parent...

At most, what would happen to the teacher is that the would be offered more CPD. She will not be hung, drawn and quartered. It was hardly a scene from Pulp Fiction.

I just hope that teachers reading this thread will not feel intimidated.

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