SATS 2016

[FeckinCrutches]

We got our results today, still trying to decipher raw/scaled score. DD got EXS for everything, which is great, but it's very hard not knowing what she would have got on the old system!

So our school have reported the assessments correctly then.

Maybe a more detailed explanation with our report with respect to teachers' assessments would have been useful

Yes for streaming Myakka

Ineed - the only thing I would then wonder is will the indie school be aware of the teacher assmt limitations then as they would not be obliged to do SATs themselves for their Y6s. Hopefully they would just use the scaled scores for streaming.

Myakka the independent school sit SATS in their prep school, if they hadn't we might have moved DS sooner to avoid the whole SATS fiasco.

Think I will check with DS's teacher next week whether she knows what info they will be sending to his new school.

Surely any school will reassess in first few weeks regardless of test scores from previous school. Similarly move people up/down as necessary.

Our secondary has said that they won't be using SATS for setting this year. They'll do baseline assessments at the beginning of Year 7 and look at the class work/homework from the first few weeks, then the sets will be decided in October. Makes sense to me.

"Teen, this is something that I have always drilled into dd from a young age - that test results are private and don't need to be compared or discussed."

Apart from on this thread, apparently...

multi However there is a difference between discussing anonymously as adults, and children comparing scores directly within a class.

However there is a difference between discussing anonymously as adults, and children comparing scores directly within a class.

Absolutely. I am happy to talk about these things on MN, with other adults who can choose whether or not to join the discussion. I do not discuss the results in real life with anyone outside my own family, and I haven't the faintest idea what any of the other kids at dd's school scored. Surely that's the whole point of forums like this, isn't it? That we can talk about some of the things that might normally be off limits?

Received my DS Y2 sats report with the EXP codes and have asked for the scaled scores but the school seem reluctant to give the scaled scores out anyone had a similar response or know if the school has to release the numerical scores?

I think it is impossible to stop children discussing their scores. We are constantly told not to compare our children against others, but how on earth can one judge how a child is performing without a comparison? The whole scoring system is based on direct comparisons between pupils on a national level. But as my dd wisely said of her friend who bragged about being the best in her year group (at another school) 'for all we know her school could be full of numpties, and she's just the best numpty'.

Of course you can't stop children discussing their scores; or comparing themselves with each other as a result. It's exactly what the system is designed to have them do.

I'm not 100% sure about teacher assessment. In the Y2 SATs my dd scored a level 3 on the test papers for maths, however teacher assessment put her at level 2. In the latest Y6 SAT she has scored 116 (107/110 raw score 97%) which I think is amazing. Her teacher says she lacks confidence in maths and says this score is exceptional for her. In other words she has performed above how she does on a daily basis in class. However, her school is a high performing primary with many gifted children and i feel it's no coincidence that given time and space like they are in test situations she can perform, but school lessons aren't like that, she finds it hard to shine in a large group of confident cocksure kids and underperforms as a result. She also passed her 11+ and is going to a super-selective grammar. Her teacher thinks she isn't capable.

We were told that GDS only applies to writing.

Frestra I would ignore that teacher, sounds like rubbish!

Year 2 school here has Def had exceeding as a category for the reading/writing etc. There's a space on the report for exceeding for maths,science etc so presumably our school could have awarded it.

My daughter got exceeding for.music and computing. I suspect it's just as she was in those clubs....

Mov1ng that sounds more like a normal school report.

The teacher assessment we received for DS (who is in Y6) is the one they refer to in the leaflet provided by the Government together with the SATS results, so only refers to Reading, Writing, Maths and Science. It does not cover any other subjects and only gives the grade and nothing else. So doesn't give a description of what work they have been doing in the year and what they were good at.

Our school decided this year to do the standard end of year reports last term. Think it was to prepare parents for the likelihood that a number of children would no longer be graded at expected standard due to the change in curriculum etc.

We had a leaflet with it explaining why so few would be meeting standards this year, about govt year 2 tests (but no numerical results)

The first few were the sats related ones then a list of other subjects. I'll look in a bit

It's confusing because there are really three assessments.

The SATs - scores in reading, spag and maths. Children awarded EXS if they have achieved the standard. No working at greater depth possible.

The OFFICIAL teacher assessments - we as y6 teachers also have to submit official teacher assessments in reading, writing, maths and science. These are official submitted scores. You can ONLY get working at greater depth for writing - no school can submit at greater depth for anything else, it's impossible.

UNOFFICIAL teacher assessments - on our reports home I identify which children are working at greater depth (and have done) but these scores are not submitted to anyone. It is simply my progressional judgement. Not all
schools may do this but if you are unsure about where your child stands and want to know the best thing to do is have a chat with the teacher as they will be able to tell you.

I hope that helps.

Presumably there's a difference with year 2 and year 6 reporting?

Mad system to only be pass/fail and not make that clear.... And then fail half the year :( it's truly barking. I wish my daughter wanted to home school owe had the silly money for private!

Between that is so helpful, thank you, that makes everything clearer, well as clear as it can be when it comes to SATS.

[b]Alein[/b], the school can view scans of the test papers online and can, if they feel it's appropriate, request re-marks by 15 July. If you feel strongly about it, query it with your teacher.

However, the reading test was incredibly difficult this year; so difficult that the pass mark was only 44%! The scores in reading are lower nationally.

I'm intrigued, if 100 equals the 'old' level 4b then how come less children passed?

Donkey That's the point. 100 doesn't equate to the old 4b. fewer children met the standard this year because the standard has been raised. From what I gather from reading here it is more like 5c (though teachers please correct me).

The SPaG standard requires technical knowledge of grammar that isn't/hasn't been needed for GCSE English language, and the writing standard requires showing use of grammar techniques that are not standardly in books aimed at 11 year olds.

Interestingly, reading which previously saw the highest numbers of level 6s (I think), actually had the lowest pass rate at 66% this year. I don't think this year's cohort have all suddenly got worse at reading ...