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Private schools, wow what a difference! (Year 4)

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FedUpWithSchools · 17/03/2011 12:48

Got very disillusioned with DS?s ?outstanding? primary. First alarm bells started to ring in year 3, when every single day he?ll bring a drawing or a robot made of cardboard or a car made of boxes, you get the picture while he hardly got any homework. I tried talking to his teacher about it, but she was always very reassuring and said he is doing fine. I am a foreigner, so was not so familiar with a UK education system and thought the teacher knows what she is doing. Then in year 4 I found out about sets. Apparently my son is in a middle set for everything. According to teacher, he got an ability to be in a top set in a different class, but because his class is overall ?exceptionally bright?, the top set is working at a level of year 5, or even sometimes year 6. My son complains that on days that they got math (and they don?t do math every day), bottom set gets to ?play? on PCs ? they do educational games, middle set gets work to do on their own, and the teacher sits with the top set (5 kids out of a class of 35) and teaches them. If my son or anybody else gets ?stuck? on their work, the teacher with just get very stressed and will tell him in a raised voice just to get on with his work or read a book or draw something if he is finished. Bottom set gets a ?special? teacher to work with them a few times a week during literacy and math lessons. Children never move between sets. Sometimes my son finishes his work quickly and asks to listen or join with the top set, but teacher always gets annoyed and sends him back to his table.

I had a parents meeting with the teacher a few weeks ago, and raised all my concerns. I am very worried about the amount of stuff he is learning at school, as the 11+ is looming and only the top 5 kids are getting sufficient tutoring to pass the exam. The teacher agreed with me, and hinted that it will benefit my son to get a tutor or even better a private school. So off we went to look for a private. And all I can say is wow! We visited 4 schools in total. Class sizes vary from 16 to 22; 2 schools were selective, another 2 are not. But all 4 of the schools had a grammar pass rate between 90% and 85%. My son?s school sends around 6 kids out of 70 each year, so 3 kids per class. In all private schools that we visited all kids are taught by the same teacher at the same level. They also sit on their own desks facing the teacher, not in groups. Children get books for each subject, so the parent knows exactly what is covered at school on each given day, and will be able to go over it at home if needed. There is also an hour of homework every day and in year 5 schools run ?summer schools? to coach for 11+ exams. Some schools also had longer days in year 5 to cover the material quicker and start preparing for 11+ earlier in the year.

To be honest, the difference of standards and attainment really shocked me. How do they manage to teach every single kid in a classroom to the same level when a state school claims its impossible? Why state school cant just teach all kids at the same level, with kids all sitting and listening to the teacher instead of sitting in groups around round tables, sometimes with their backs to the blackboard? I really don?t get it. We are moving our son next week to a new school, wish I knew about the differences earlier, feeling guilty now for denying him a proper education for so many years.

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IndigoBell · 21/03/2011 14:50

Well, read the book and see if it changes your mind...

Bonsoir · 21/03/2011 14:52

It won't, IndigoBell. I have heard the theory before, but I don't buy it, or at least certainly not in the cultural context I live in! It's hardly "we're all fabulous" esteem-building stuff round here.

Cortina · 21/03/2011 15:05

Bonsoir please can you explain what you don't 'buy into'? I'd be interested. I am not sure I get it as I think much of what you say ties in with Dweck.

Cortina · 21/03/2011 15:30

To clarify a bit Dweck argues false attempts to boost self esteem would have no positive effect on performance and backs this up with research, as have others.

said · 21/03/2011 15:42

Just jumping in here but IndigoBell is that theory the one that David Baddiel discussed on a tv programme a few years ago? Sounds like it. Wish they'd repeat it because it struck a real chord with me

IndigoBell · 21/03/2011 15:46

Here's a write up of the book. It says:

Mr. Bronson highlights a study of 400 fifth-graders conducted by psychologist Carol Dweck and a team at Columbia University in which the children took three tests. The second test purposely was made difficult enough that every child failed. What the scientists found was that kids who had been praised for their effort recovered from that failure by the third test to achieve scores 30% higher than on their first test. Meanwhile, the students who were praised for their intelligence had scores that were 20% lower. Ms. Dweck?s conclusion: You should praise children for qualities they can control, like effort. Those praised for their innate brainpower might develop the sense that hard work isn?t necessary.

Applying this research to his own life, Mr. Bronson finds his child responds well to process-centered praise (good work chasing down the ball). The problem is, Mr. Bronson discovers he misses giving his child unconditional compliments (?You?re great ? I?m proud of you?). ?We expect so much of [our children], but we hide our expectations behind constant glowing praise.? Being too quick with praise can be as detrimental as jumping in too soon to help with a homework problem ? it robs kids of the rewards of discovering how smart they are on their own.

halfcaffodils · 21/03/2011 15:49

Only a few areas of the country have the grammar school system. I know from friends in Kent that a very high proportion of children in private schools have additional private tutoring to get into grammar schools.

Cortina · 21/03/2011 15:55

Thanks Indigo, that book changed my life, set me off on a path where I read much more widely around the subject and made me realise that yes, I could get better & improve in many areas. I thought the comments & research on art was particularly interesting, shattering my belief you either have artistic ability or you don't and you can't improve very much if you haven't.

askhfgaslkgsj · 21/03/2011 17:01

I would always choose a private school, many mainstreams are full to bursting at the moment and I am worried about spending cuts. I don't think private schools reject lots of children, they are businesses after all, and empty places mean less income.

MigratingCoconuts · 21/03/2011 17:23

Yes, ask, and taking the wrong sort of kid would bring the results down and cost future places...private schools have to be very careful to protect their position in the league tables....

emy72 · 21/03/2011 17:39

Just wanted to say that I also read that book on someone's suggestion on here and it changed my life.

IndigoBell · 21/03/2011 17:51

Emy - if you liked Mindset, you also need to read NurtureShock :)

emy72 · 21/03/2011 19:13

Indigo, is it by the same author? I will go and order from amazon...

said · 21/03/2011 20:05

Yes, it was Carol Dweck on that David Baddiel programme Found a summary of the programme www.science20.com/beamlines/who_do_you_want_your_child_be here This resonated with me a lot - the being told you're clever and thus avoiding tasks you perceive as hard and hiding failure. Thanks for reminding me - I should get the book. I know I do now try to make a conscious effort to praise the effort and attitude and avoid the "You're so clever" type comments

IndigoBell · 21/03/2011 21:15

Not the same author. But one of the chapters is about the same stuff, and the other chapters are all equally interesting.

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