"punishment" in year 1

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DD is not settling into Yr1 particularly well and especially dislikes "carpet time" because it's boring and her bum goes numb. Today she was talking (actually reciting a poem from a book she borrowed from school!) during carpet time and as a result was delayed going out to play time and had to spend extra time on the carpet.

I really don't agree with "punishments" such as this, especially when it is keeping her from a physical activity which might actually calm her down and make it easier to sit still!

What other experiences of "punishments" are out there?

should I talk to the teacher and tell her what I think?

spot on of the school IMO your child needs to learn how to sit quietly - it is what is expected at carpet time and every other child manages

if they don't get htis right in the early years (through foundation / KS1) when do you think they're going to

spot on zapostrophe

lots of spots (wishes for edit button)

Do you think it is acceptable that your daughter was reciting a poem while the teacher was trying to teach the rest of the class? If so complain ...

Unfortunately sitting on the carpet is a massive part of primary school life as is listening to others, following instructions etc. I think you have to trust the teacher here. Spending a few more minutes sitting on the carpet reinforces to your dd what the expectations are. Whilst I can see where you are coming from, I think you have to look at the larger picture. if you want your dd to get the most out of carpet time, she needs to listen during that time. Perhaps a better tack would be to reward your daughter when she does well at carpet time. make a point of asking the teacher to tell you when she does well with it so you can make a big fuss and reward her at home too.

What would you like to see done? Your dd obviously needs to be shown that what she is doing is wrong and imo is perfectly old enough to know she shouldnt be speaking when teacher is talking. And the majority of children seem able to sit on a carpet as it is a method of teaching used in most schools.

I know our school will remove 'choice time' for naughty children in year 1 and 2. They do reduce outside play too as a punishment. Maybe they could remove a sticker from her sticker chart?

Maybe you need to explain a few things to her at home about behaviour at school? Could you walk her to school to burn off some energy before class? Tell her to charge around in the time she is outside - thats what I tell one of my very active dds!

Agree with mrz
your dd needs to sit down and listen , you need to tell her this at home not undermine the teacher by questioning the punishment

We have a "traffic light" system.

What you describe i suppose is considered disprutive, they are not allowed to talk as this is a time for learning to listen.

Ds struggled with this allot too. He was forever on the traffic lights

he did learn in the end.

my ds1 struggles to not talk during class. they have a reminders system as far as I can tell - two reminders, then your name goes up on the board next to a sad face, then you have to sit in the corridor or something. He is struggling, but I hope it works and he does in the end get better at not talking/listening properly.

I agree that they do of course need to learn to be quiet during class, but agree with the OP that keeping back at play time may be a bit counter productive as those kids that find it hard to sit still and listen will probably benefit from running off a bit of steam at play time.

Most carpet time (whole class teaching input) in Y1 is fairly short so it isn't a lot to expect a child to listen. "Boring"

Carpet time is usually learning time - hence children come out with the "boring" comment. It generally isn't boring - but it is sit and listen and pay attention in order to learn time. Some children don't like the sitting down and listening time, but it is essential to learning.

Carpet time in Y1, IME, is usually kept quite short and is usually pretty ineractive with lots of pupil activity involved.

I have used, as has my class teacher, the playtime delay with children who disrupt on the carpet.I use the "you waste our time, we/I waste your time" line. Even with Y1. However it is for a bout 1-2 minutes max. Playtime is 15 minutes long, so the child still gets 13 minutes of play. Even if it was 5 minutes, they'd still get 10 minutes. And let's face it - this is the teacher/TA time being wasted too = so most staff won't waste much more than a couple of minutes if they are wanting a break and a drink, or sorting time.

I do think you need to talk to your daughter about talking (and sorry - reading or reciting froma book is the same - it is still disrupting the teaching and leaning) when she should be starting to listen.

I think everyone's responses have been very negative. To me it seems obvious that this method of teaching is not engaging her. I agree she should be quiet and she should also learn to sit on the carpet whenever necessary. What I object to is her being excluded from other activities because that creates a negative feeling between child and teacher and further enforces my child's negative feelings about the whole activity. Despite what anyone says I believe at this stage of schooling the emphasis should surely be about getting the child to enjoy learning and school as a whole?

Here we go.....it's that time of year again.

You may be right OP, that school should be about getting the child to enjoy learning blah blah.

And behaving appropriately. And when she doesn't, getting told off for it.

Please don't go and 'ave a word. You'll be marked down forever as a PFB loon mother. And it's very early days in your daughter's schooling for that.

Have you considered home education for your daughter?

To be engaged with learning, you need to learn the right learning behaviour. They call it learning to learn these days but it basically means children need to learn to sit still, listen and respect the rules of the classroom in order to benefit from the teaching. I'm sorry but if you start off criticising the school for trying to discipline your dd in this very low key way ( a few minutes of playtime is not the end of the world, you will not be helping your daughter and supporting the school in the way you should be. My own dd is in reception, has additional needs and is having to learn to sit on the carpet - it is possibly even more boring for her as her language skills are extremely limited, but I still support the school and her teacher in helping her to respect the rules of the classroom. If you think your dd has special needs and can't learn in this way then perhaps you ought to be speaking to the teacher about these concerns.

Perhaps if she listened rather than reciting poems she may get something out of the session People are being "negative" because your daughter needs to listen so she can learn and you as a parent are being negligent in not reinforcing this. Sorry if you wanted us to say that poor little thing should do as she wishes without consequences.

Perhaps the other 29 children were enjoying their learning. You are making a big deal out of this. It's not a big deal. Your dd was in the wrong. A sanction was put in place. Hopefully your dd will now understand the appropriate way to behave.

What do you think the teacher should have done? How would you deal with a child who was disrupting the learning of 29 other children?

How would you feel if dearest dd was really really interested in what her teacher was doing at carpet time and came home whining to you that Nasty 'Orrible Other Kid was reciting poems aloud so the other children couldn't hear the teacher properly?

Think about the other pupils in the class who may want to listen to the teacher and not your daughter mumbling nonsense in their ear.

Its never too early to learn consideration and manners.

If she listened she may not be bored (and she probably doesnt really know the true meaning of bored either - just an excuse for being naughty!).

Hear, hear, mrz!

Teachers are not children's entertainers btw. Your daughter needs to play her part in being 'engaged' by listening and concentrating. Then she might even enjoy herself!

Actually, beginning to think this is a wind up. It is that time of year ...

its a hard pill to swallow, but she missed out on a few minutes of play time today, tomorrow is another day and she will have forgotton about the whole thing by then.
Things will be ok tomorrow. honstly

Gee, I never thought she might learn something if she listened!! Of course that is the ideal, but has anyone even wondered why she isn't listening? Maybe she can't hear, maybe she can't understand the teacher's accent, maybe she's really anxious about getting it right? Hopefully her teacher isn't such a hardarse bitch as some of you.