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Prepping for a pandemic...12

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wheresmymojo · 08/03/2020 17:55

Thread 12!

I can't seem to carry over the clicky links in the OP of the last thread. Can anyone else?

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Sprayitall · 10/03/2020 15:47

How I wish the normal March days are back .. sadly I realise we are getting more far from the normal days.. dh’s job is at stake. the final round of interview ended on Monday with them calling now saying they are now not hiring anyone for the position and have put it on hold until June. all the hopes dashed in a matter of few minutes because of some bloke who actually resigned but now thinks he should stay so hiring dh now is a bad idea. How I wish I want my normal days back where dh is happy at work, me doing my business and dd goes to school and we all just go to shops buy Easter eggs and do normal early March stuffs looking for spring/ summer dresses and stuff ..not worry about having a job, providing, health and about this shity virus.. I feel so lost now 😞

rhij86 · 10/03/2020 15:48

@neenienana Biscuit

rhij86 · 10/03/2020 15:49

@Sprayitall oh that sucks. I'm so sorry :(

rhij86 · 10/03/2020 15:56

Can people answer me a question? Because I genuinely don't understand.

When places are shut because someone works there/has visited there and now been confirmed for CV - why are they only being shut for a couple of days? As an example, the office next door to mine has had a confirmed case of CV today. The office has been closed, staff sent home. It's to be deep cleaned, and will re-open on Thursday. Now I'm assuming the staff member has been in to work before diagnosis otherwise they wouldn't have shut the office.

So why are the rest of the staff now not being told to self isolate? That person will have come into contact with multiple members of staff during daily work, in the toilets, canteen for example. Plus as a call centre it's likely they hot desk, meaning chances of passing the virus on in that way too is high.

So can someone please help me understand why the office will be re-opened in two days, potentially allowing people who are now infected but yet to show symptoms to carry on having close contact with others?

I might be missing something but genuinely can't get my head around it.

Hmm Confused

HasaDigaEebowai · 10/03/2020 15:58

rhij you'll get chucked off the thread if you waste your carefully prepped biscuits on deniers

VenetoResident · 10/03/2020 16:00

I've bought some vitamin d3 50mcg (2000IU).

It says one per day.

Ok for DC? DC2 has low vitamin D anyway. That was something else we needed to evaluate with the GP when all this started...

WwwashYourHands · 10/03/2020 16:02

Ive been totally in favour of early school closures until now, but I’ve just read that behavioural psychologists reckon that if measures are brought in too early, people get bored and stop observing the precautions. I guess it makes sense.

pemberlyshades · 10/03/2020 16:08

@rhij86 I think it would be because of this logic
Covid positive person goes to work
Touches surfaces ABCDEF
Out of all colleagues X% touch X% of surfaces whilst virus is still "live"
Out of that X another % don't wash their hands and touch their mouth or face etc
Out of that % a smaller number still will get symptoms.

Meanwhile surfaces ABC are cleaned thoroughly and are "new" again.

Everyone comes back to work but with MUCH more awareness of hand hygiene etc etc

This means that whatever % did put the virus in their mouths will be (hopefully) washing their hands and disposing of any cold/cough spray safely.

Therefore ongoing risk to "clean" colleagues from new infected colleague (even prior to symptoms) is lower than before.

New infected colleague(s) are more aware they are at risk and therefore can self isolate earlier than first person who brought it to work.

I don't think this makes sense! But I think that's the reasoning behind what they're doing.

Sprayitall · 10/03/2020 16:09

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping loving your nickname.. Now your post gives me a little confidence. I think I will call the school tomorrow to discuss than sending dd off to school.

Pebble21uk · 10/03/2020 16:16

The regional update is in - but already woefully out of date:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

tryingtoprep · 10/03/2020 16:17

@Onelankwen Ah I see. That makes sense.

Thanks to @BrieAndChilli for posting the translation and the PP (sorry, forgot who) who posted the original list.

I didn't realise Vitamin D had changed measurements. Mine says 1000iu.

rhij86 · 10/03/2020 16:18

@hasadigaeebowia haha yes what was I thinking! Sharing my stock...

@pemberleyshades I guess that makes sense... can't say I'm overly happy with it though!

rhij86 · 10/03/2020 16:22

There's an anonymous UK critical care doctor answering questions on covid-19 over on reddit

www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

MoreCoffeeNeeded · 10/03/2020 16:31

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping I wonder if you are near me. Two local schools have sent kids to Italy in the last week. One from L and one from H?

FuckThisWind · 10/03/2020 16:32

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping

Well done! I have a feeling you must leave extremely close to me. As it sounds suspiciously like a local school of mine. And with the level of ineptness involved in letting them leave for their school trip, I personally have no faith in those in charge any more. I saw it on pur local news today. Beyond stupid.

VenetoResident · 10/03/2020 16:33

The rules for ALL of Italy:

  1. Are there differences within the national territory?

No, due to the effect of the dpcm of March 9, the rules are the same throughout the national territory and are effective from the date of March 10 and until April 3.

  1. Are there still red areas?

No, there are no longer any red areas. The limitations that were provided for in the previous Prime Ministerial Decree of March 1 (with the establishment of specific red areas) have ceased. By now, with the dpcm of March 9, the rules are the same for everyone.

Movement

  1. What is meant by "avoiding any movement of individuals"? Are there any bans? Can we go out to work? Can anyone who is under quarantine measure move?

One must avoid leaving the house. You can go out to go to work or for health reasons or for other needs, such as, for example, the purchase of essential goods. However, you must be able to prove it, also by means of a self-declaration which can be made on pre-printed forms already supplied to the state and local police forces. The veracity of the self-declarations will be subject to subsequent checks and the non-veracity constitutes a crime. It is however advisable to work remotely, where possible, or take holidays or leave. Without good reason, it is required and necessary to stay home, for the good of all. There is also an "absolute ban" on leaving home for those who are quarantined or tested positive for the virus.

  1. If I live in one municipality and work in another, can I go back and forth?

Yes, it is a justified shift for business needs.

  1. Are there any travel restrictions for those with respiratory infection symptoms and fever greater than 37.5?

In this case it is strongly recommended to stay at home, contact your doctor and limit contact with other people as much as possible.

  1. What does "proven job needs" mean? How will self-employed workers demonstrate "proven job needs"?

It is always possible to go out to work, even if it is recommended to work at a distance, where possible, or to take holidays or leave. "Proven" means that you must be able to demonstrate that you are going (or returning) to work, including through the binding self-declaration referred to in FAQ no. 1 or by any other means of proof, the non-truthfulness of which constitutes a crime. In the event of a check, you will have to declare your working need. The Authorities will then be responsible for verifying the veracity of the declaration made with the adoption of the consequent sanctions in case of false declarations

  1. How should cross-border workers behave? (I assume this means a different country)

Cross-border workers will be able to enter and leave the territories concerned to reach their jobs and return home. Interested parties will be able to prove the business reason for the move by any means (see previous FAQ).

  1. Will there be checkpoints to check compliance with the measure?

There will be checks. In the presence of uniform rules throughout the national territory, there will be no fixed checkpoints to prevent people from moving. The municipal police and the police forces, as part of their ordinary territorial control activities, will supervise compliance with the rules.

  1. Can anyone who is away from home, home or residence come back?

Yes, anyone has the right to return to their home, home or residence, without prejudice to the fact that they can only be moved for business needs, situations of need or health reasons.

  1. Is it possible to go out to buy food? Will groceries always be available?

Yes, you can always go out to buy food and there is no need to grab them now because they will always be available.

  1. Is motor activity allowed?

Yes, outdoor motor activity is allowed as long as it is not in a group.

  1. Can I go out to buy goods other than food?

Yes, but only in case of strict necessity (purchase of necessary goods, such as light bulbs that burned out in the house.

  1. Can I go to assist my dear elderly who are not self-sufficient?

Yes, it is a condition of necessity. But remember that the elderly are the most vulnerable people and therefore try to protect them from contacts as much as possible.

Transportation

  1. Are there any restrictions on the transit of goods?

No, no limitations. All goods (therefore not only the basic necessities) can be transported on the national territory. The transport of goods is considered as a work requirement: the personnel who lead the means of transport can move, limited to the needs of delivery or collection of the goods.

  1. Can freight couriers circulate?

Yes, they can move.

  1. I am a haulier. Are there any restrictions on my work activity?

No, there are no restrictions on the transit and loading and unloading of goods.

  1. Are there restrictions for non-scheduled public transport?

No. There are no limitations for non-scheduled public transport. The taxi and NCC service has no limitation as the activity carried out is considered a working requirement.

Offices and civil servants

  1. Are public offices open?

Yes, on the whole national territory, without distinction between the zones. Administrative activity is carried out regularly. In any case, almost all services are available online.

However, teaching and training activities are suspended in the presence of schools, kindergartens, museums and libraries.

  1. The decree provides for employees, users and visitors of public administration offices, throughout the country, to make available disinfectant solutions for hand hygiene.

In the event of difficulties in supplying these solutions and consequently their temporary unavailability, should the offices remain open anyway?

The offices must however remain open. The presence of disinfectant solutions is a further precautionary measure but their temporary unavailability does not justify closing the office, putting in place all the necessary measures to find them.

  1. Is the civil servant who has feverish symptoms under ordinary sickness or falls under the provisions of the decree-law, according to which sick days are not reduced?

It is part of the ordinary sickness regime. Should it be subsequently ascertained that it is a subject who falls within the quarantine measure or infected with COVID-19, the reduction will not apply.

😡 since you can't really get tested unless you're bad enough to be hospitalised.

  1. I am a civil servant and would like to work in smart working. What tools do I have?

The new measures encourage the use of smart working, simplifying access. It is up to the employer to identify the organizational methods that allow the recognition of smart working to as many employees as possible. The employee may submit an application which will be accepted on the basis of the organizational methods envisaged.

Public exercises

  1. Can bars and restaurants open regularly?

The restaurant and bar activity is allowed from 6.00 to 18.00, with the operator's obligation to set up the conditions to guarantee the possibility of respecting the interpersonal safety distance of at least one meter, with the sanction of suspension of the activity in case of violation.

  1. Will it still be possible to make home deliveries of food and drinks?

The hourly limit from 6.00 to 18.00 refers only to opening to the public. The activity can still continue during the closing times to the public through home deliveries. It will be the responsibility of those who organize the home delivery activity - the same operator or a so-called platform - to avoid that the moment of delivery provides for personal contacts.

  1. I am a pub manager. Can I continue to operate my business?

The prohibition foreseen by the Prime Ministerial Decree concerns the performance in pubs of any activity other than the administration of food and drinks. It is therefore possible to continue to administer food and drinks in pubs, suspending play activities and aggregation events (such as live music, screenings or other), in compliance with the hourly limitations already provided for bar and restaurant activities (from 6.00 to 18.00) and, in any case, with the obligation to enforce the interpersonal safety distance of at least one meter.

  1. What is planned for theaters, cinemas, museums, archives, libraries and other places of culture?

It will be closed to the public throughout the national territory.

School

1.What does the decree provide for schools?

In the period up to April 3, 2020, the attendance of schools of all levels and levels is suspended. There remains the possibility of carrying out distance learning activities, taking into account, in particular, the specific needs of students with disabilities.

University

  1. What does the decree for universities provide?

In the period up to 3 April 2020, the attendance of higher education activities is suspended, including universities and institutions of high artistic, musical and choreutic training, professional courses, masters and universities for the elderly. There remains the possibility of carrying out distance learning activities, taking into account, in particular, the specific needs of students with disabilities. Research activity is not suspended.

  1. Can exam sessions and graduation sessions be held?

Yes, they can be carried out by using the remote methods as a priority or in any case by adopting the hygienic-sanitary and organizational precautions indicated by the dpcm of 4 March; in the case of exams and distance degree sessions, the measures necessary to guarantee the required publicity must in any case be ensured.

  1. Can students' receptions and other activities be held?

Yes. Doctoral courses, student reception, matriculation tests, participation in laboratories, etc., may be provided in compliance with the precautionary hygiene and sanitation measures, making priority use of remote methods. Also in this case particular attention must be given to students with disabilities.

  1. What is expected for medical specialization courses?

Post-university courses connected with the exercise of the health professions, including those for doctors in specialist training, and the activities of trainees in the health and medical professions are excluded from the suspension. Research activity is not suspended.

  1. What happens to those who are on Erasmus?

As for Erasmus + projects, it is necessary to refer to the indications of the competent European institutions, ensuring, however, all useful information to the participants.

Ceremonies and events

  1. What does the decree provide for ceremonies, events and shows?

All organized events are suspended throughout the national territory as well as events in public or private places, including those of a cultural, recreational, sporting, religious and fair nature, even if held in closed places but open to the public (such as example, cinemas, theaters, pubs, dance schools, game rooms, betting rooms and bingo halls, discos and similar places).

  1. Can we go to church or to other places of worship? Can masses or other religious rites be celebrated?

Until April 3 all civil and religious ceremonies, including funerals, are suspended throughout the national territory. Therefore the celebration of mass and other religious rites is also suspended, such as the Friday morning prayer for the Islamic religion.

Opening and access to places of worship are allowed, as long as gatherings are avoided and the distance between the attendants is not less than one meter.

Tourism

  1. What does the decree stipulate for travel for tourism?

On the whole national territory, travel for tourism reasons is absolutely to be avoided.

Italian and foreign tourists who are already on vacation must limit travel to those necessary to return to their places of residence, home or home.

Since airports and railway stations remain open, tourists can go there to take the plane or train and return to their homes. It is recommended to check the status of flights and public transport on the websites of the land, sea and air transport companies.

  1. How does the limitation on administration and bar activities apply to tourist accommodation facilities?

The accommodation facilities can also carry out administration and bar activities in the time slot from 18 to 6, exclusively in favor of their customers and in compliance with all the safety precautions referred to in the Presidential Decree of 8 March.

  1. How should the tourist accommodation structure behave towards a customer? Do you have to verify the reasons for your trip?

The tourist accommodation is not responsible for verifying the existence of the conditions that allow the movement of natural persons.

Agriculture

  1. Are there restrictions on the transport of live animals, animal feed and agri-food and fishery products?

No, there are no restrictions.

  1. If I am an agricultural entrepreneur, an agricultural worker, even a seasonal worker, are there restrictions on my job?

No, there are no restrictions.

NatoPMT · 10/03/2020 16:33

Thanks all - the vit D is now covered off ❤️

Greece has close school for 2 weeks today, much lower numbers than the uk

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping

I read Scotland - or maybe a royal Bank of Scotland 😁 are offering mortgage holidays.

Any financial help for those needing it is ok by me

I’m glad your school are taking that stance at this point. The LA may change that and the variation from LA and school to school will be massive

I also agree that numbers are not reflecting those with cv. My friends experience has so hammered that home

Plus Not following advice and not isolating. There must be so many doing this

I bumped into an Italian friend on the school run, she gripped me in a hug, then told me her parents are over from Italy.

Why do people keep trying to give me this?!

MoonlightMistletoe · 10/03/2020 16:33

Thanks @Pebble21uk it's in my area now I knew it wouldn't be long.

VenetoResident · 10/03/2020 16:34

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping

those kids will be home soon...

FuckThisWind · 10/03/2020 16:34

@MoreCoffeeNeeded I saw news of the one in L today. It was on the lunchtime news. I think they just returned today.
Perhaps there are a lot of us local to each other. or perhaps there has been more than a couple of batshit fucking crazy risks taken by headteachers in the UK!

KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping · 10/03/2020 16:45

@needmorecoffee yes, they are the exact places. It's a small Mumsnet world!

@fuckthiswind I think the H one came back recently all now isolating and the L one is coming back tonight. I'm not sure what the flight situation is like though. I think BA and Ryanair have stopped flights to Italy, but hopefully another airline will be able to get them home.

RhubarbTea · 10/03/2020 16:46

Oh my God that Reddit thread a few posts up. Holy fuck! It is really bleak. Everyone should read it.

KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping · 10/03/2020 16:50

@Sprayitall Thank you, I hope it helps with your decision for your DD, as parents we have to make the choice that is best for our child and our situation. I think the more people that do remove their children the harder it will be to fine the parents and the more likely government will make it an option for people or at least force them to consider it, especially with the petition to close schools picking up pace.

KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping · 10/03/2020 16:56

@MoreCoffeeNeeded - I'm sorry I was supposed to have replied to you in my previous post - Clearly it's me who needs more coffee Blush.

MoreCoffeeNeeded · 10/03/2020 16:56

@KeepCalmandCarryonPrepping Did you see the predictions of this exact situation and the drama on the local FB group! Yes, H back now. L I think is traveling by coach?