Prepping for a pandemic...12

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Thread 12!

I can't seem to carry over the clicky links in the OP of the last thread. Can anyone else?

Sorry I am new to the thread and to prepping though I am interested and keen to get more essentials in.

I don't know if it i inappropriate to ask here but in the wake of potential social distancing etc, I'm really worried about supply of infant formula as I have a 6 week old baby who will obviously be needing formula for many months to come.

Is it likely supply will run low? I use aptamil and when I went to tesco last there were very few tubs, although I have seen this on occasion before (admittedly not in this large Tesco) so wasn't sure if it was down to panic buying or not.

Formula is very expensive and my LO already goes through 2 tubs a week and I am on SMP so have very little money coming in at the moment. I'm trying to plan head but its quite hard to physically afford extra food on top of my already high grocery bill (also have 2 other pre school age children).

I've tried to Google but I cant see any resources that specifically mention baby milk, so hoping I am panicking over nothing.

@Cloudy are you eligible for vouchers? I have just realised that I am after dropping down my hours. You need to get an HV to sign to form to get them.

Also have you applied for Universal Credit whole on SMP?

And not sure if this suggestion is much use as I really struggled BUT at 6 weeks you could easily try and re-establish breast milk supply with some effort? Can you pump?

Aldi does formula which I think is supposed to be quite good if you did look to switch

@RhubarbTea sorry can you post the reddit link again please? Thank you 🌸

Cloudy, that must be stressful, I’m sorry I don’t have answers but If they have long expiration dates they will be used anyway?

Rages advice was much better than mine on formula. Ignore me

Thank you guys I will look into this

Hoping I am just being paranoid and that I can just buy my two tubs a week as usual.

I do have a single electric pump so I might really look into reestablishing supply?

Aaaaand it's in jersey

Went to waitrose to get a cake for the kids dad's birthday and saw a woman with two trays of uht milk and 5 packs of toiletrolls

@VenetoResident Yes I think they are on their way home now, thankfully. I don't think there is any trouble with Italy letting people get home, they are probably keen to have them gone. Thank you so much for all your updates through all of this, it has been so helpful and I am so glad you are now able to start getting into a routine with your DC. That's a good sign they are recovering.

@MoreCoffeeNeeded Yes I have been following the fb posts since last night and keep checking back for updates. I am glad to see that most parents were horrified about the children going, but those that are still in denial worry me. I don't think they will take the self-isolating seriously and even of the child self isolates the parents and siblings are still free to come and go as they please, taking any contamination into their workplaces, schools and shops. And BJ et al wonder why the containment phase didn't work .

@natopmt reddit link here;
www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Crikey. Gobsmacked to learn that actually I'm not in the same area as a couple of other posters, yet we have had a mirrored situation here in the NE of England with a school leaving for an Italian skiing trip and returning home today. It appears some of our schools are run by people who are incapable!

This is the school local to me

Feeling a bit doom-y today. Think we need more kitten pics!

Much obliged

Cloudy vanilla just popping on to day that re establishing supply with a single pump will be a mammoth task, better to hire a hospital grade double pump, a pumping bra and get some milk boosters, see kellymom for power pumping tips, plenty of skin to skin too, good luck

No full figures for today yet. Lombardy hasn't released theirs. 😢 +529 even without Lombardy.

168 deaths (97 yesterday)
2% 50-59 yo
8% 60-69
32% 70-79
45% 80-89
14% >90

135 Lombardy
15 Emilia R
6 Veneto
4 Piemonte
3 Marche
2 Friuli VG
1 Abruzzo
1 Lazio
1 Liguria

The Italy numbers 🤮
Italy reports 977 new cases of coronavirus and 168 new deaths, raising total to 10,149 cases and 631 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Or ask your health visitor for a loan

Cloudy - it takes a fair bit of effort to re-establish supply but might actually be worth thinking about, nice to have a backup. and your baby is still so young that it could be very possible. I would if it was me and wasn't too much of a headache. If it's just going to make you more stressed then don't.

It is really hard when you can't afford much in advance and I sympathise with that. I've had to stop buying any extra food now as I just can't afford to do more than I have.
And yes ditto on making sure you are getting any vouchers you are entitled to.

@MakeLemonade no kittens from me, but I have a doggie if that helps. I’ve got a cat too but he’s a beautiful psychopath

This school trip to Italy thing is absurd 😡

Those numbers - they make me feel dizzy, so horrible to think of what poor Italy is going through, I’m sorry Veneto

Thank you @rhij86 🌷

@FuckThisWind

"perhaps there has been more than a couple of batshit fucking crazy risks taken by headteachers in the UK!"

I'm not in the North East so shockingly it seems there are .

I wonder how many other schools are continuing with trips to other countries. For me its not only the increased risk of catching the virus, it's being separated from my child in another country which could possible be locked down. I just couldn't put my child through that.

UPDATE: Greece closes all schools and universities across the country as number of coronavirus cases reaches 89

And here we are

They probably had to as those areas hadn’t been declared not safe and they woldnt have to their money back

Now they will

@MoonlightMistletoe my friend lives in Athens and told me that about an hour ago. They have so many fewer cases than us...

From @natopmt reddit link above:
www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

level 1
1 hour ago
Are we likely to see an Italy style outbreak in UK or is it relatively confined?

level 2
dr_hcid
UK Critical Care Physician
1 hour ago
The consensus amongst my colleagues in general is yes, it will get much worse, and it is likely to reach Italy levels. We are preparing for such but there is only so much we can do from within a hospital.

As a health system, the UK runs at or over capacity. It is worth remembering that the background population of critically ill does not decrease in an outbreak.

There was a feeling a week or two ago, when we started seeing community clusters, that population measures needed to be taken. The feedback we have gotten from colleagues in public health or those involved in government advisory positions has been that there is a question of balancing short term economic burden against a predicted mortality.

I personally think this government response has been short-sighted.

We have very good case-studies, in Italy, showing what is likely to happen if delaying measures are not taken early; vis-a-vis South Korea showing what can happen when strict measures are taken in a timely fashion. The key is to prevent healthcare demand from being overwhelmed. This is the point where mortality rises.

Again, my personal opinion, is there is a problem in the UK amongst decision makers with denial, and concern about the political optics of early population measures that affect the economy. The problem is, with outbreaks like this, you won't see that you are about to be overwhelmed until the day before, and you needed to have taken action at least two weeks before that. Lessons from China, from South Korea, and current lessons from Italy and Iran are not being listened to.

level 3
58 minutes ago
What can we or should we do to revert such trend? Is it too late?

level 4
dr_hcid
UK Critical Care Physician
37 minutes ago
Institute some form of quarantine or population measures as soon as possible.

Close schools and fund childcare for medical personnel.

Make people work from home.

Prevent mass gatherings (e.g. football, concerts).

Discourage all but essential transport.

We can't stop it, but we can delay it. And delaying gives breathing room for healthcare resources.

Press conference at 6 pm on 10 March

10149 total cases, the currently positive people are 8514, 631 dead and 1004 recovered.
Among the 8514 positives:

2599 are found in home isolation
5038 hospitalized with symptoms
877 in intensive care

@Orangecake123. What are your plans? I think I’d stay there if it was me! At least there shutting thing down. Our Govt won’t until we at far great we number of infected people’ because ‘people will get bored & not want to do it’

Frankly - bring the Army in would be my answer. As my a Dad would have said ‘I’m not asking you, I’m telling you’ (I may frequently repeat the same thing 🤣)