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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Vodkaskirts · 03/03/2020 07:55

Hi
Does anyone know if it's possible to freeze wedges if lemons,limes and oranges

RocketQueen21 · 03/03/2020 07:58

@CrapTVAddict yes the same thing has happened to me too! I got the email last night 🤔

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 08:03

I had a thought yesterday, as someone who has given birth four times, if I get a cough lasting more than a week my pelvic floor let's me down. If it's a month of coughing I'm getting myself some tena pads 😭 theres no way my pelvic floor with withstand a month of a dry cough 😱

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/03/2020 08:03

I'm still carrying on as normal. There's a rumoured test a street across from mine, but it's; a) a rumour; b) a test if the rumour is true; c) a single self isolated case. That still makes the risk very very low here at this time and the economy really needs us to keep going while we can.

At the moment the way everyone knows everyone's business, or at least thinks they know it, is pretty awful. I feel very sorry for kids who are going back in after being off school, teens are brutal in their teasing.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/03/2020 08:05

Freezing chunks of lemon works well.
Dehydrating them for me did not. I ended up with sad, gummy, flavourless ugly things.

Mazarinegreen · 03/03/2020 08:11

You can buy bags of frozen sliced lemons and limes in Asda - I use them in my G and Ts as a combination ice cube and fruit slice 😁

falcon5 · 03/03/2020 08:15

French foreign ministry have said all school trips abroad to be interrupted and recommends to avoid non essential travel if my Google translate works. Seems sensible I'm just surprised it hasn't been more reported.

echobench · 03/03/2020 08:15

Guildhall school of music and drama (London) has a case (teacher).

Also Harpenden GP.

poshme · 03/03/2020 08:16

If you freeze them on flat oven trays, once frozen you can bung them in a bag and they will stick together less.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 08:16

That was me with the flu last year Lego
Dry coughs like that are dreadful for weak pelvic floors and you end up coughing so hard.

echobench · 03/03/2020 08:19

twitter.com/tweetonlondon/status/1234554706833203202?s=20

Guildhall school is closed.

Sorry Harpenden patient not GP. That was yesterday.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 03/03/2020 08:19

all school trips abroad to be interrupted and recommends to avoid non essential travel if my Google translate works. Seems sensible I'm just surprised it hasn't been more reported.

We need this now. plus no other UK only school trips.

And we need food rationing too. The media is talking the country into panic buying hysteria. The more they talk about it - it will become a self fufilling prophecy. It's as if the media want food riots, they want people to starve.
For once I am questionning freedom of speach.

middleager · 03/03/2020 08:22

Reserved my slot for next week's Tesco order (I always order Tesco online, weekly).

Placed my order and get aa far as payment - it won't let me checkout. Tried this three times now. It just says 'this page isn't working'

When I log back in it says 'slot reserved' checkout by 10.05 to avoid losing your slot. Chance would be a fine thing and I have to go to work now.

Now I can't see tonight's delivery on there either....

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 08:23

This morning I’ve woken up with a sore throat

All the hand hygiene in the world doesn’t stop a determined virus

NewYearNewTwatName · 03/03/2020 08:27

had a Hospital appointment yesterday which was unavoidable. what I noticed was that the people in their 20s-30s were more proactive with hand sanitisers then the others.

They clinic was running 30mins late and the waiting room was very stuffy even though the windows at the back could have been opened which annoyed me. a few people including me on hearing how long the wait for the appointment was chose to go and wait outside the hospital for 20 mins in the fresh air.

The Doctor actually offered his hand to shake when I went in, which I raised an eyebrow too, and he then quickly concluded it maybe wasn't a good idea. Then when he came to examine me (Obviously now aware) he had to ask the nurse where the gloves where keptShock
how many patients had he seen, shook hands with and examined without gloves!

Effieray · 03/03/2020 08:28

I can access my orders on Tesco app this morning so hopefully just a glitch.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 08:29

You can't stop anything that's coughed or sneezed into the air.
Both my youngest haven't been out since Friday and got cold symptoms yesterday. It's either from school on Thursday or from the one time I went to the shop.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 08:32

I hate shaking hands at the best of times NewYear
What is it with some doctors who do that? As you say, they are seeing people all day. No need to touch people unnecessarily.
I'll be glad if shaking hands becomes a thing of the past to be honest.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 08:32

South Korea confirms 374 new cases of coronavirus; total of 5,186 cases t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Effieray · 03/03/2020 08:33

Just gone through the process of adding items to my Tesco shop and checking out... worked fine. I am using the app. I have also booked slots as far ahead as I can each week (no idea if this makes a difference?)

GorkyMcPorky · 03/03/2020 08:33

On that note, does anyone else think its weird that initially there were loads of videos and vloggers coming out of china and now there's silence?

I was following @IsChinar but his Twitter account has been deleted. He has an Insta account but I suspect it's not genuine - just a kitten in a facemask among a handful of other posts - nothing like the videos being posted before.

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 08:35

Nato- You aren't wrong, I wash my hands obsessively as it is and myself has a virus that started with a sore throat.

With saying that all this extra handwashing id recommend a good hydrating hand cream, I use a B5 cream due to my skin cracking between my fingers. Double base cream is also good.

Destinysdaughter · 03/03/2020 08:37

Just watching GMB and Rory Stewart, who oversaw the Ebola response team was on. He was saying Boris Johnson and other leaders should be having meetings on this every morning and be doing things like checking there is enough PPE etc. Sadly I don't think this is gonna happen. Until it's too late. Also the Budget is due next week, I wonder how that will be affected?

middleager · 03/03/2020 08:38

Thanks Effi as it still won't work on the standard website so downloaded the app (taken it off previously to save storage space) and it worked.