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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Allonym · 01/03/2020 17:49

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swingchandelier · 01/03/2020 17:54

Does anybody know whether the Superdrug Defendol Hopsital Strength Sanitiser is 60%+ alcohol? It doesn’t say but does say it’s

  • effective against 99.99% of germs
  • hospital strength
  • effective against swine flue and bird flu
  • conforms to EN 1040 +EN1500

www.superdrug.com/Skin/Hand-Care/Hand-Gel/Defendol-Hospital-Grade-Anti-Bacterial-Hand-Gel/p/793680

WhiteWall1 · 01/03/2020 17:55

@nellodee have you watched Contagion on the iPlayer? Looks at the maths side of things which is really interesting

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 17:56

Nigeria identifies 100 who may have been exposed to coronavirus patient t.co/5MjaIEsJkF t.co/iNJue72Jrm

Puppycorn · 01/03/2020 17:56

Sorry if it had been asked earlier but can anyone share the hospital bag list please? Do you pack in individual bags for people at home or put them all together in a large bag?

SandyDays · 01/03/2020 17:57

I'm delerking after following all these threads from the beginning.
Can I quickly say a big thank you for all the updates @ofwarren I have found them really informative.
I took a trip to our local Booker today after the latest England update, it's a wholesale type place and we have a business account with them from a while ago. I stocked up on toilet roll, 5kg of pasta, 3kg of smash, 1kg coffee and 5l of surf and conditioner for the laundry.
It was tempting to buy so much more as the shelves are stacked with catering size tins all sorts of food.
They had sold out of all antibacterial hand wash though - luckily I had stocked up on these a few days ago along with the gel thanks to these threads.

Heartyhooker · 01/03/2020 17:57

@ofwarren is there any chance of getting bloodwork and scans done locally and sent to LGI for interpretation, they may be able to supervise treatment remotely by skype.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 17:59

I'm hoping so Hearty
He was there 2 weeks ago and they refused to do it locally at that point.
I expect they may feel differently in 6 weeks time.

nibdedibble · 01/03/2020 18:01

DH has got twitchy and is currently in Sainsbury's topping up our already healthy stash of food. We won't have to shop much for a few months now (until your actual Brexit ahhahahahahahahahahaha laughs maniacally).

pemberlyshades · 01/03/2020 18:02

@ofwarren what is the mortality rate? Surely based on those figures it would be over 3%? Going on Italy alone it's 2%? Or is my maths wrong ???(hopefully!)

planningaheadtoday · 01/03/2020 18:02

@Puppycorn
This is mine, I adapted it from the original one.

Grab bags

Sharpie ( if my kids are separated from us I'm writing their names on their arm, sorry got the idea from USA storms)
NHS number
Notebook and pen
Phone
iPad
Micro and USB leads
Charging plug
Change
Power bank
Book
prescription meds
Hand gel
Tissues
Wipes
Carrier bags
Dry shampoo
Brush
Flannel
Soap
Toothpaste
Hair bubbles
Moisturiser
Towel and shower gel
Flip flops
PJs 2
Comfortable day wear
Underwear 5
Hoodie/ cardigan
Sanipro pads etc
Snacks
Lip balm
Deodorant
Slippers or slipper socks with grippy soles.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 18:03

I'm terrible at maths pemberly. I'm sure someone else knows the answer though.

JustMeAndMyTins · 01/03/2020 18:06

Honestly, it’s very hard to get a good pandemic started and to continue.

@saltinesandcoffeecups this made me laugh. I know you didn’t mean it to be funny but thank you. Grin

ifonly4 · 01/03/2020 18:08

YoursTunbridgeWells yes, I'm wondering when will be the right time to delve into my purchases - we now have cases in our county. I prepared for a combination of things, so I could reduce visits to shops if there were local cases and so I had a stash in case of contracting the virus or lockdown.

I think at the moment, I'll just be keeping on top of hygiene, eating healthily and to be honest if someone coughs near me not breathing in immediately and moving away. One good thing is I can limit my shopping to fruit, veg, bread and milk, all of which are in the first third of our Tescos.

ifonly4 · 01/03/2020 18:13

Yours Just realised, I half answered your question, I suppose I will be limiting my time in Tescos - until my Mum realises she should have got more in/let me get more in!!

chicken2015 · 01/03/2020 18:14

So i have been following this thread since begining and have decided that it might be a good idea to have some essentials in as i can image if we was told to self isolate then it woulf happe quickly , trying to do ocado shop and most of the things i was going to but r out of stock!

Puppycorn · 01/03/2020 18:14

@planningaheadtoday thank you for the list :) Wow about the sharpie idea.. it’s not very common to do that but I have survived a tsunami and was also in the front line so I know how important and life saving this detail can be.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 18:18

NEW: Washington state reports 2 new cases of coronavirus in King County; both are in critical condition with underlying health issues t.co/eUoE2b20hL t.co/JNm6HDQZGl

wheresmymojo · 01/03/2020 18:21

Thread Help

I'm on a very intensive course for the next 7 days straight - I'll be dropping in on the thread now and then but am unlikely to be around to start new threads.

Are there two or three people that wouldn't mind keeping an eye on the number of posts and starting a new one as needed?

Many thanks ThanksGin

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RedLentilYellowLentil · 01/03/2020 18:21

Based on @ofwarren's numbers, the raw death rate expressed as a percentage of everyone whose infection has completed its course one way or another is 6.6%.

Destinysdaughter · 01/03/2020 18:22

Crazy thought but if anyone knows how to do an online petition, could we create a petition to send to the Gvt asking for things to slow the virus? E.g. with things other countries are doing, like banning gatherings with more than 1,000 people, only essential air travel, testing at airports etc?

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 18:27

NEW: France reports 30 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 130 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 18:32

World's first lung transplant for #COVID19 patient in China t.co/vSTV0iBlAU

NatoPMT · 01/03/2020 18:34

Another thank you to @ofwarren for the updates ❤️

FelicityFebruary · 01/03/2020 18:35

The Chinese do not mess about.

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