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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
Miss1973HulaHoopChampion · 01/03/2020 13:52

Got a small hand gel called Pause & Refresh from a Waitrose. Can't find anywhere to say what percent of alcohol is in it. The first ingredient on the list is Alcohol Denat. Anyone know now I can find out please? Website doesn't say.

mumoftwodc · 01/03/2020 13:52

Thanks. Just seen locations. We need the government to take action now. They say they have everything covered but reading on here about GPs being told of no stock of PPE when they've requested it, I'm feeling very concerned.

VenetoResident · 01/03/2020 13:54

Can anyone recommend a good accurate thermometer I can buy online to complete my medication stash?

I bought a temple thermometer - the ear one seemed to have variable results and hurt when temps were high.

I need to get new 'healthy temp' results for us all though. Different areas have different 'normal' temps.

Skyejuly · 01/03/2020 13:55

It's just doubling each day

EliK · 01/03/2020 13:55

Ok. Feeling pretty nervous now.

mybrainhurtsalot · 01/03/2020 13:56

Thank you for the info Avocado & Shanghai!

I hope the UK will also contact tracing for this poor chap who has been diagnosed in Shenzhen.

TreesSandSea · 01/03/2020 13:56

mumof2dc where are you getting locations from?

VenetoResident · 01/03/2020 14:00

I don't understand this idea that the British population are somehow uncontrollable as though this is somehow a unique and insurmountable thing? The Italians aren't living under a communist regime and I haven't seen anything to suggest they are doing anything other than quietly get on with it in locked down towns- why should we be any different?

I think I read that it's a 3 month prison sentence for leaving a lock down area in Italy without permission and I suspect similar would be put in place here if we went down the lock down road.*

Not everyone is obeying the rules:
*
https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/01/news/coronaviruss*ininlombardiaallomeliaadellllarcivescovoodentroroillduomomosenzaafedeliliunitiinellalalottaacontroroillmalele_-249946318/?timestamp=15830687520000*

VivaLeBeaver · 01/03/2020 14:00

Shit, 12 new cases is a lot. I would say we will hit the 200plus mark by the end of the week then if continues at that rate.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 14:00

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am 1 March 2020, a total of 11,750 people have been tested:

11,715 negative.
35 positive.

For latest information visit:
➡️ t.co/37eu0kQ0Cd t.co/OiZTCJjS3o

Banana0pancakes · 01/03/2020 14:02

Annoying thing is we won't know what the figures are if they stop testing at 100. It's going to be so hard for anyone to make judgement calls without that information.

middleager · 01/03/2020 14:03

Thanks for the updates.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 14:03

Essex
London
West Yorkshire
Greater Manchester
Hertfordshire
Gloucestershire

FelicityFebruary · 01/03/2020 14:04

It's a numbers game, if most people comply the disease spread is slowed.

mumoftwodc · 01/03/2020 14:04

@TreesSandSea @MollyMope posted the twitter post below so saw it from there. Posting again for you.

mumoftwodc · 01/03/2020 14:05

Oops didn't work so trying again

twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status/1234110794687819777?s=21

tryingtoprep · 01/03/2020 14:06

Yes, I think that might be the same here AvocadoOwl He's started to wash his hands as soon as he gets in. It's a good start. I imagine it's already all over London tbh. I'm focusing on boosting our immune and respiratory systems.

Well done French Louvre workers!

The government needs to take measures now. To slow, if too late to contain, the spread. Follow suit of the European countries in banning large gatherings, WFH for those who can, children out of school where possible for parents. Some people can't work from home, some people have no childcare, but if everyone who could did, it would go some way towards slowing the spread. We absolutely do not want hospitals and HCP overwhelmed.

TreesSandSea · 01/03/2020 14:07

Thank you. Trying to decide whether to do a 2 day work trip to London in Tuesday. From an area without any currently diagnosed cases.

EliK · 01/03/2020 14:08

I agree. Something needs to be done now at government level to slow down/prevent mass spread. At least it's Monday tomorrow, maybe they'll announce something (won't hold my breath).

mumoftwodc · 01/03/2020 14:09

@tryingtoprep May I ask for ideas on boosting immune and respiratory. I've got vitamin d and zinc but would appreciate any recommendations

VenetoResident · 01/03/2020 14:11

They're not really testing here in Italy now. Have I said that already? Sorry if so. Only if you're hospitalised. So asymptomatic spread will go largely unreported. We've been instructed to stay at home, even if we've had contact with a CV case, despite symptoms, unless we need additional medical help.

GorkyMcPorky · 01/03/2020 14:12

Annoying thing is we won't know what the figures are if they stop testing at 100. It's going to be so hard for anyone to make judgement calls without that information.

I think WHO should require them to report figures.

MoonlightMistletoe · 01/03/2020 14:12

TreeSandSea up to you but I wouldn't want to travel into an area where there has been a confirmed case as there is one in London, where in London I do not know. Hopefully we get exact locations soon.

I don't think it would be a bad thing if people panicked and stayed indoors at least then it would slow the spread down!

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 14:15

12 more coronavirus cases confirmed today - eight are patients who have recently travelled from Italy or Iran. At least one patient is from Greater Manchester. Locally, health chiefs have confirmed a case in Bury.
t.co/wEPkWZNvhz

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 14:16

So greater Manchester case is in Bury. I will try and find info on the others

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