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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
JustVisiting9 · 29/02/2020 20:44

Re hand gel - my employer wants to provide it, but can't get hold of any. We order a small stock every winter for flu season, but once that's gone our supplier can't get hold of any more.

AvocadoOwl · 29/02/2020 20:46

Glad you are all ok @VenetoResident! Hopefully you'll continue to feel better!

MamaFlintstone · 29/02/2020 20:46

My humongous Sainsbury’s order got delivered with very few substitutions. The driver and my DH were rolling their eyes together about it, but I feel much better now that I know I’ve got plenty of food, loads of toilet roll and nappies, we’re fully stocked with over the counter medicines, toiletries and cleaning stuff. Hopefully it’ll all come to nothing and I’ll just have really cheap food shopping bills for the next couple of months. Have also made sure I’ve got working torches, charger packs, water purification tablets etc in case it all really goes tits up, and I’m sure we’ll use them for camping at some point otherwise.

I’m not buying masks though. We’d never use them for anything else and if the virus becomes so widespread that they’d be necessary then I’d rather take steps to be in contact with fewer people (e.g. walking to work rather than taking public transport) than spend money on something that’s likely to have very little effect.

birdiefriend · 29/02/2020 20:49

@Corsodyl whenever I get that tickley scratchy feeling in my throat when you're starting with a cold I gargle with listerine and I usually don't end up developing a cold, I always wondered if I was killing the virus before it took hold. I wonder if that would help lessen the viral load if you did catch covid19 making it more mild

FuckThisWind · 29/02/2020 20:52

This is going to go down like a lead balloon, but I give zero fucks anymore.

RocketQueen21 · 29/02/2020 20:53

Check this out
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-51691967

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 20:53

1st case of #Coronavirus in #IRELAND

Corsodyl · 29/02/2020 20:54

@FuckThisWind you might want to edit that to remove your name. Agree 100% with the sentiment.

NewYearNewTwatName · 29/02/2020 20:55

fuckthiswind are you sure you want to show that without blanking stuff out?

that's and awful lot of info you're giving away there.

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 29/02/2020 20:57

@ofwarren where are you reading about irealnd? I couldn't find anything

Motorina · 29/02/2020 20:57

@brainfogg if it helps, I'm a clinician, routinely wear masks at work, and don't have and won't be getting any personal supplies of them. They're hard to wear well and remove without contaminating yourself, and I just don't see them as offering useful protection in day to day life.

If you were in hospital nursing a patient then yes. But in the streets? Not convinced. And, if you're nursing a sick family member at home then you're going to be exposed almost regardless. Proper barrier nursing is just too hard to do well.

I think you've done well in tucking some food reserves away. Don't panic about not having masks.

HasaDigaEebowai · 29/02/2020 20:58

fuckthiswind I am an employment lawyer. You need to get that removed immediately. It shows who you are and who your employer is.

BeyondReasonablyDoubtsLots · 29/02/2020 20:58

Argh I meant to reply to someone but can't find who it was! It was about lack of income affecting looting later on and the area they are in. Anyway, my point was, surely those who have no job at all - fully reliant on UC etc - are in a safer position money wise if quarantined?
Although I bet the job centre would sanction for not actively job-seeking.

BlackeyedSusan · 29/02/2020 20:59

Veneto!!!!

Great to hear things are improving, lots of us have been thinking of you and your dcs. So glad the littlies are improving.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 21:01

Statement from Ireland's Department of Health on the country's first case of coronavirus. Linked to Italy. t.co/J5hGp8Wm5D
NewYear

FuckThisWind · 29/02/2020 21:04

Asked for my post to be removed, thanks all.

NewYearNewTwatName · 29/02/2020 21:05

Glad to hear things are getting better Vento

think I'm going to NC again keep getting confused.

preponderings · 29/02/2020 21:07

Hi Veneto good to hear the general trend is up. That must have been a terribly tough decision to make. Look after your nerves!

Fuck I also reported your post, as the newspapers are mentioning the thread...

Snowdropdelight · 29/02/2020 21:07

Fuck it's awful.

All people in job like that need to be allowed to protect themselves.
If it was me managing I'd be having lots of hand-wash breaks, copious amounts of hand gels to staff.
Allow them to turn away or point out people coughing... Have security on board.

Whatever it takes to keep staff as safe as possible...

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 29/02/2020 21:07

Thanks @ofwarren
It was only a matter of time with so many people travelling to and from Dublin airport to Italy each day.
I'll finish up getting meds tomorrow and then I'll be ready.

pemberlyshades · 29/02/2020 21:08

@skyesbackpack this is the response I was expecting- there is no way the UK culture would enable a response to govt led quarantine procedure as seen in China and Singapore.
It's going to be a case of riding out the storm, more than trusting the govt to enforce quarantine or isolation procedures. It's just not in our nature as Brits. It served us very very well historically- "keep calm and carry on" and all that. But it will leave us highly vulnerable given an unknown virus of high transmission and unknown-worse than flu mortality rate. We can't put a brave face on this one I'm afraid.

pemberlyshades · 29/02/2020 21:09

@veneto !!!!! You're ok! So relieved!!!

GorkyMcPorky · 29/02/2020 21:14

@VenetoResident, good to hear from you. Wishing you and your family all the best.

GorkyMcPorky · 29/02/2020 21:16

10 x 3-ply face masks for £12 is profiteering at its worst. They would have been a third of the price on eBay last month.

pemberlyshades · 29/02/2020 21:19

@GorkyMcPorky well I think they've all gone now anyway! Madness!

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