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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
brainfogg · 29/02/2020 18:40

I’ve posted on a few of these amazing threads and am so grateful for the tips which have helped me to prepare and calmed some of my extreme anxiety.
I feel awful asking this but I wondered, does anyone have any extra masks they’d be willing to sell to me? I need 3, one for me, one for DH and for our son. I can only afford around £10-15 and can’t find 3 for this amount anywhere. I’ve spent any spare money - which isn’t much - on food and toiletries supplies as felt I should. All my local Screwfix and Wickes are constantly sold out. Obviously this is only if you have a lot and wouldn’t mind losing 3 of them which I know is a lot to ask. I’m just absolutely terrified, I know masks aren’t going to do much but when it comes to it they might be essential if we have to go somewhere as a one off.
Just PM me if anyone can help and sorry again to ask.

bilboraggins · 29/02/2020 18:45

@brainfogg please please don't send your limited funds to a random on the internet who says they can send you a mask. The types of masks you are talking about are really only beneficial to stop touching your face and can actually harbour more germs than keep out. Keep hand washing and not touching your face would be my advice

bilboraggins · 29/02/2020 18:49

Hope no one is offended by by randoms from the internet' comment especially on this topic! You have all been invaluable but hopefully you understand the sentiment!!

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 18:49

#SPAIN— 55 cases of #Coronavirus now in total.

Funkycats · 29/02/2020 18:51

Do we know how the person in Haslemere came to be tested, if it is so uncertain how they acquired the virus?

brainfogg · 29/02/2020 18:54

@bilboraggins I am so naive sometimes, I didn’t even consider the possibility of a scam on here as I’m not thinking clearly and am so desperate! It’s ridiculous isn’t it. I guess I meant I’d probably only go ahead if it was someone’s name I recognised from posting a lot on here but you’re right and thank you.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/02/2020 18:54

@funkycats. I believe a few gp surgeries around the uk have been randomly selected to swab everyone with symptoms regardless of travel history.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 18:54

My GP gave a prescription for my medication, although I've several weeks left

The chemist (my local Apothek in Germany) ordered them, but when they arrived warned me of the end August expiry date.
There are none in stock anywhere are with a later expiry date

This is because of shortages, probably because China supplies many of the raw materials, even when the actual manufacture is in Europe by a European pharma firm

So, do check expiry date if you've ordered meds

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 18:55

From what I've read funky they were in one of the areas where they are doing the random testing. So, everyone who has cold or flu symptoms

Funkycats · 29/02/2020 18:57

Thank you for replies. I didn't know they'd been doing that. Makes sense.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 18:57

What type of medicine bigchoc between my son and I, we take 6 a day

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 19:00

NEW: Trump says the U.S. patient who died of coronavirus was a woman in her late 50s with underlying health issues, says 4 others in the U.S. are "very ill"

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 19:00

Brainfogg If we ever get to the stage where the government / NHS recommends people wear masks,
then I'm sure they would be supplied free

If you've got some extra groceries in, even though money is tight,
then you've already done prepped well for your family

bilboraggins · 29/02/2020 19:02

Not ridiculous @brainfogg you are just worried and trying to look after your family as best as you can as we all are.

I promise you I understand and I am far from blasé about all of this and have probably been spending a bit too much time reading up on the next updates etc but I have a compromised immune system so I think it's partly down to that. I don't have masks either if that makes you feel better, hopefully not worse!

brainfogg · 29/02/2020 19:03

Thanks @BigChocFrenzy , I like to believe they’d be given free but with our government I just fully expect to be taking everything into our own hands. You’re right though that getting groceries in is more important in case we decide or need to be kept indoors.
This is really getting to be now I feel very claustrophobic and anxiety symptoms are becoming unmanageable Sad

OneTimePrepper · 29/02/2020 19:06

Trump has done 2 press conferences over the last few days on the virus and we hae neard nothing of note from Boris. Not impressed.

News from Trumps recent update is that one American in their late fifties has died, four are very ill and fifteen are recovered or nearly recovered.

HasaDigaEebowai · 29/02/2020 19:06

what town are you in brainfogg? Have you checked everywhere re masks?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 19:08

ofwarren I have a nasal spray for hay fever, but I can manage without it - I always did until last year
The hay fever will be gone anyway by latest end May, well before expiry date

However, a friend at the gym said her diuretic also only had a few months to expiry date
I don't know what kind.

DryHeave · 29/02/2020 19:08

Masks is the one thing I haven’t got - and through choice. Having read all the WHO guidance, I am comfortable not having any and focussing on hand hygiene and a plan for what to do if we need to nurse someone at home. If you’re nursing someone, you’d need loads anyway if you were doing it properly.

brainfogg · 29/02/2020 19:10

@bilboraggins yes that’s definitely helped and I totally relate to the reading too many updates, it’s hard not to isn’t it? Worrying times Flowers

@HasaDigaEebowai someone has just messaged to recommend firstaid.co.uk so am having a look on there now, looks reasonably priced! I better not say where I am but Midlands-ish.

EliK · 29/02/2020 19:11

@nellodee I've got Easter eggs in too. I might get a couple more.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 19:12

U.S. will deny entry to any foreigner who has been in Iran in the prior 14 days due to coronavirus

LightofMine · 29/02/2020 19:12

He's too busy making babies @OneTimePrepper

Ifonlywecouldwishuponastar · 29/02/2020 19:13

Placemarking. Finding this very interesting

Sunshinesky1981 · 29/02/2020 19:14

Sorry to be a pain, but can someone link me to the details where it say the berkshire case is in Newbury. It's my town and I'm worried sick about this.

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