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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
LightofMine · 29/02/2020 15:43

Just read that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe may have contracted it in prison as reported by her husband. Shock. Still not confirmed yet though. That poor family Sad

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 15:50

#France: Ministry of Health: 73 cases of #coronavirus have been recorded to date, 12 patients have recovered and 2 have died.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 15:51

Sorry, it's saying that nazanin husband says he thinks she has it

BridgeToTerabithia · 29/02/2020 16:15

BBC Helena Wilkinson says they do not now what towns in the shires, responding to someone on Twitter.

FelicityFebruary · 29/02/2020 16:30

Found you all.

I was wittering on thread 7.

Basically all shops look normal for a Saturday where we are, except for pocket hand sanitizer.

EliK · 29/02/2020 16:31

Still need to catch up on the thread but I went into my local Sainsbury's and they had no Dettol sprays, hardly any long-life milk and the toilet roll was almost all gone.
I got some custard, dried fruit, chocolate and sprinkles for crispy cakes, rice cakes, more baked beans and cereal bars. And some wine Grin

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 16:34

NORWAY- Oslo University Hospital: 50 of our employees were quarantined for 14 days for fear of being infected with the #Coronavirus

FelicityFebruary · 29/02/2020 16:34

Iran sounds terrible. (I have watched John Campbell's reports maybe every other day.)

nibdedibble · 29/02/2020 16:37

Went into town today to do a few (non-prepping) errands; the place was heaving, sun was out, visible stock in windows of Poundland and the like (not hand gel but toilet paper etc).

It was actually very reassuring. I've been in for a few days working at home and mums netting far too much and I'd lost sight of the outside world!

middleager · 29/02/2020 16:39

That HuffPost headline is very irresponsible though as she does not have it, but the threat is very real in that prison if an inmate has indeed died from it.

KundaliniRising · 29/02/2020 16:41

Dh has ordered a crate of wine...... good thinking dh! Wine

HasaDigaEebowai · 29/02/2020 16:44

I found that six boxes of half price deluxe dark chocolate gingers fell into my trolly earlier..
Ginger has some sort of medicinal benefit doesn't it?

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 16:46

Agree middle. I posted in haste. It was click bait really. Sorry about that.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 16:46

"That Telegraph article is 2 weeks old. We have tested over 10k now."

That's not about how many we test but how many get infected

We are far from reaching the hundreds yet
Wait and see what happens then

NatoPMT · 29/02/2020 16:51

@MinesaPinotPlease

It was speculated that the Chinese whistleblower dr had a combination of CV plus seasonal flu/cold so getting better from and shortening usual colds is wise

All this hand washing has that additional benefit. Hopefully fewer standard virus infections

I think I also read that the extra viral exposure that healthcare workers are subject to - ie exposure from several sources potentially, can increase their viral load and worsen their symptoms - this doesn’t make sense to me as I thought your viral load comes from your own immunity / how your body deals with the virus at a cellular level rAther than external amount of exposure

FelicityFebruary · 29/02/2020 16:54

Things that ime do become far less effective much beyond their dates are dried yeast and baking powder. Just to avoid disappointment of baking.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 17:06

15 people tested positive for #coronavirus in #Norway, according to the Norwegian Institute of Public Health.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 17:09

New coronavirus case confirmed at Tenerife hotel on lockdown t.co/IYDoTdxIQk t.co/Abxlo9XnwG

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 17:13

I read that during the 1918 Spanish flu, one reason for the high death rate among fit young soldiers
is thought to be the high viral load from hundreds or even thousands of soldiers crammed together

GorkyMcPorky · 29/02/2020 17:19

The viral load is what worries me about bigger class sizes.

KundaliniRising · 29/02/2020 17:21

Poor Nazanin and her family, what a terrible situation. I hope that she is pulls through Sad

NatoPMT · 29/02/2020 17:26

Thanks for that additional info BigChocFrenzy, supports the info I thought maybe I’d misunderstood.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 17:30

Italy
The number of people in intensive care units has risen to 105

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