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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
ofwarren · 29/02/2020 13:52

NEW: France reports 16 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 73 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Valkarie · 29/02/2020 13:57

The new £20 notes are coming out now. If you want cash at home, you could ask in the bank for them? No one has really touched them yet.

Someone said about carnation milk. Is evaporated as good as uht taste wise?

Twixes · 29/02/2020 13:58

I only started prepping last week and I don't know if I have enough. When I come on here I get an awful itch to go and get more but my bank account says otherwise!

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 13:59

#FRANCE has banned ALL public gatherings with over 5.000 people - health ministry

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:03

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am 29 February 2020, a total of 10,483 people have been tested:

10,460 negative.
23 positive.

For latest information visit:
▶️ t.co/CZh5JdyN2Q t.co/30gqshJJYO

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:05

Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire and Berkshire

Snowdropdelight · 29/02/2020 14:06

Of Warren does that include Disney land? Surely THE biggest place in to spread it? Everyone touching the same bars on rides, squashed together in queues, touching the hand rail in queues, then the buffets in hotels and... The fact people wait soooo long to go... And pay so much they do usually go rather than precautions and stay at home.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/02/2020 14:06

Friend of mine works in waitrose and says its been crazy busy today. She thought because of a predicted storm and was shocked when I said more likely due to coronavirus.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:10

#Pakistan now has 4 cases or #coronavirus. All 4 linked to #Iran

LittleSwede · 29/02/2020 14:10

I'm in one of the three 'shires' mentioned. I wonder how to find out which town/village?

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:12

Only way is to search for 'coronavirus Berkshire" for example, on twitter and see what the gossip is. Someone may know on there.

FourTeaFallOut · 29/02/2020 14:12

I suppose after seven full threads most of us felt like we were as organised as we were ever going to be but it seemed I overlooked the important matter of how to pair a dramatic eye to match my ffp3 mask. For shame Blush

metro.co.uk/2020/02/28/influencers-sharing-makeup-looks-wear-coronavirus-masks-12319472/

bobbbbby · 29/02/2020 14:12

Same, I'm in Gloucestershire, would like to know which town

LittleSwede · 29/02/2020 14:12

Thanks ofwarren I will try that.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:13

I don't know about Disneyland snowdrop. I'd guess not though because it made the news when hong Kong disney closed.

Mrsemcgregor · 29/02/2020 14:15

bobbbby also in Gloucestershire so a town would be useful. I know a few schools in Cheltenham and Gloucester had Italy ski trips and had staff and pupils self isolating with symptoms.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:17

Azerbaijan closes border with Iran to prevent the spread of coronavirus - Reuters

lemonjumper · 29/02/2020 14:18

"We continue to test a significant number of people. Due to this, and until further notice, the figures tweeted at 2pm will be confirmed numbers as of 9am that same day.

This change is to make sure we provide you with accurate information, without further delays.

We also plan to announce future confirmed cases in England as part of the 2pm figures, rather than separately.

This is to make sure you get the latest information at the same time each day.

If there is a change in circumstances, we'll communicate this as soon as possible."

So the 2pm updates just got more interesting, if that's the first we'll hear of any new cases. Also should mean that the 2pm updates will never be late from now on...

twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1233754541402861569

AvocadoOwl · 29/02/2020 14:20

That sounds sensible to me re the 2pm update.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:20

In England? Do we take that as meaning, if Scotland get their first case, they will update straight away?

Gammeldragz · 29/02/2020 14:20

There was a boy in Hartlepool waiting for results yesterday, maybe that's one? I don't know what County that is.

UtahGirl12 · 29/02/2020 14:21

News flash from BBC to say 3 new cases in UK now, taking total to 23.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 14:21

Hartlepool is north east

Gammeldragz · 29/02/2020 14:23

How does only announcing at 2pm make the information more up to date? If the 2pm announcement is the 9am figures then we are a day behind.
Which is fine, it must be nightmare to get all the data. Just don't pretend this is more up to date!

BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 14:23

Millions to be told 'stay at home' if coronavirus continues to spread

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/15/exclusive-millions-told-stay-home-coronavirus-continues-spread/

Anyone suffering flu-like symptoms could be ordered to “self-isolate” for a fortnight if the number of coronavirus cases in the UK hits the hundreds,
in what would be a dramatic shift in Government strategy.
......
The Telegraph understands that after a series of high-level meetings health officials are expected to change tack

  • and simply order anyone with possible symptoms of flu to stay at home - if the virus is not contained.
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