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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 14:02

Maybe start thinking of ways you could exercise your dog at home?

And ourselves. Keep fit videos on YT? Running up & down the stairs? Weight lifting exercises with all our newly acquired tinsGrin

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 14:04

My dd’s school is closed and she is sent videos of exercises to do and they have class competitions.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 14:07

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

Today's figures will be published later this afternoon.

We are working hard to provide you with the latest information and will tweet this out as soon as possible.

actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 14:07

@RedLentilYellowLentil that's pretty much nailed it. We live in a tiny hamlet in a private rural estate (country estate, not housing estate).

I can walk the dog over our boundary onto said field and I KNOW I won't see another soul as the farmer is only in there about 4 times a year and now isn't one of them.

But I do get that it could be airborne. I think what we would do is a lot of mental training tricks for him (big lab), hide food, ball up and down the hallway etc.

Very sad to hear about the new death on DP.

EliK · 28/02/2020 14:09

Still 0 Scottish cases. 500 tests carried out so far - doesn't seem like a lot so we're probably missing some.

Funkycats · 28/02/2020 14:09

I have a couple of horses I keep at rented stables with a friend and her pony. Neither of us live on site. She is taking no notice of any of this, so it's hard to talk to her about what we'd do if both of us have to self isolate.
And also for people in similar situations. Can't keep a horse in the house!
This could become a welfare issue for all large animals I would think.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 28/02/2020 14:10

The key point is that the rules are not open to interpretation. X walks the dog, y thinks i’ll Just pop to the shop as nobody around, z goes to the cash point...etc

No, I'm not condoning any of that. I'm only talking about @actiongirl1978 walking her dog in empty fields in the countryside. I could do that where I live and be 100% certain I won't encounter anyone (I would spot them at least half a mile away and could go back to my house). It doesn't seem to me that that would in any sense be an 'interpretation' of the isolation rules or a failure to comply.

echobench · 28/02/2020 14:12

You need to be within 2 m of someone for about 15 mins to catch it from them I think. Obvs this doesn’t include picking it up from infected surfaces and putting hands on face. So touching a gate post etc could be dodgy but otherwise a solitary walk in open fields is as safe as it gets. But you probably still shouldn’t.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 14:12

It doesn't seem to me that that would in any sense be an 'interpretation' of the isolation rules or a failure to comply.

I'm not sure PHE would agree. They start allowing you to have your own interpretation and they have all sorts of problems. What about Fred who lives across the road from a field that nobody goes into or Doreen who says she can get into her car on her own property and drive to an isolated field which she owns but its in the next village?

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 14:16

Of course walking the dog is an interpretation. The rules will not say if you think you won’t meet anyone, just go out!
Control methods will not be successful if people are allowed to make their own adjustments to the rules.

Funkycats · 28/02/2020 14:17

How is self isolation 'policed' does anyone know? Not for people who've been repatriated as obviously the authorities know who they are.
But people who've, say, phoned 111 and been told to self isolate.
Bit of a ponder going on here.

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 14:21

I can tell you how it's policed in China but not sure here in the UK (some kind of paper tape is placed across the doorways so it can be seen if it has been broken and this is monitored in person by people from the local authorities).

I read a leaflet about self isolation in the UK and don't recall it saying anything about policing...will see if I can dig it out...

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ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 14:22

I have friends in Australia who had to self isolate when they returned from China and they were not policed. Goes back to my point of the importance of adhering to the rules and not applying your own interpretation.
In my city in China they put a big notice on your flat or house door and tape across it, so we are policed, by the community/compound mgt.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 28/02/2020 14:23

OK, well, as I say, I guess I'm just being dim. The rules require you to be in isolation, and based on what @actiongirl1978 is saying, she is. To me that's a fact, not an interpretation. I would be far more concerned about people who are supposedly in isolation but cohabit with someone who is coming and going, which - insane though it sounds to me - apparently does comply with the rules.

Let's move on anyway.

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 14:23

@wheresmymojo
Yes, that is exactly what happens in China. One of my friends just returned there from South Korea and sent me a picture of her door.

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 14:24

This is advice about self isolation - it suggests to me that there is no monitoring as otherwise that would be included in the guidance

www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-self-isolation-for-patients-undergoing-testing/advice-sheet-home-isolation

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 14:26

And I mentioned yesterday but those worrying videos on Twitter with people being taken screaming from their houses is because they have been found to have breached their quarantine and so are taken to a quarantine centre instead (since they can't be trusted)

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 14:26

Which actually seems fair enough to me...

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ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 14:26

@Funkycats
I repatriated from China and there were no checks by anyone.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 14:27

I think we should move on but frankly we are all fucked if everyone thinks they are special and can have their own interpretation of rules.

wellididntseethatcoming · 28/02/2020 14:28

The news coverage today is quite worrying

AlohaMolly · 28/02/2020 14:32

I have read the lists and I’m pretty certain we’re set, even for treats, I’m just panicking I think. I just don’t want to be unprepared!

I am very much a follow the rules type, but DP isn’t. I can easily see a breakdown of our relationship if we were told to self isolate as I would hate that he broke the rules and he would hate that I wouldn’t!

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 14:32

Nigeria’s first confirmed coronavirus case entered the country on a Turkish Airlines flight that traveled from Istanbul t.co/lUpgpND1J1 t.co/nuqkbKyD45

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 14:33

Moscow's deputy mayor says 88 foreign nationals who violated coronavirus quarantine measures will be deported - RIA/REU

Funkycats · 28/02/2020 14:33

Thanks for the info mojo and diva. So a lot is up to relying on obedience, for want of a better word, and goodwill.
Sure to end well!

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