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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Twixes · 24/02/2020 22:34

@NannyGoatC I got uht milk in Lidl today. My plan is to get a couple of litres every few days

brainfogg · 24/02/2020 22:38

Thanks for this thread, joining because they’ve all helped so much. The problem is being able to afford to prep, I really can’t but am just doing what I can. Everyone thinks I’m mad, I have severe anxiety already so it’s like crying wolf, my family all think I’m just overreacting. They are having zero reaction to all this!

In Tesco earlier I watched as a staff member who was stacking shelves casually coughed a few times onto the products she’d just put on the shelf. No attempt to cover her mouth or use tissue. I almost wore some disposable gloves in there today but they are bright blue and look a bit alarmist, is anyone else wearing gloves while out?

allthesharks · 24/02/2020 22:38

Just a thought about milk. Not sure how much it would help but if you bought breastmilk storage bags, you could fill them with freshly bought cows milk and then freeze in small quantities in all the random little spaces in the freezer. I'm not sure how much space it could save, but I'd imagine some.

OfftoPenscome · 24/02/2020 22:39

NannyGoatC - thank you shall see if it is sold here (I don’t live in the UK). Our local farmer sells potatoes and eggs at the roadside. If we can’t go to shops we can at least live off those! Shame they have beef cattle not a dairy herd Smile

HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 22:42

On the UHT milk front we tested a couple for brexit purposes. I'm afraid the lidl stuff failed spectacularly. DCs and DH refused it other than in porridge. The best UHT milk in their opinion was easily the Moo Milk.

AlohaMolly · 24/02/2020 22:48

I’ve wondered about freezing milk in ice cube trays, I reckon that’s about the right size for my cup of tea! I certainly don’t have freezer space left for cartons of milk Sad

Freezing eggs too - everything I’ve read suggests you can freeze raw egg if you beat it together like for scrambled egg. If you portioned them out and stored them in freezer bags laid flat, that’s breakfasts done! Scrambled egg and beans Grin

bobbbbby · 24/02/2020 22:49

Anyone know where I could purchase children's masks? Ty x

247SylviaPlath · 24/02/2020 22:50

Hi, have been lurking for a while but have a question...

Does anyone know if a p3 mask will protect in the same way as an n95 - I see conflicting reports online and know there’s been a fair amount of research put into this thread so hope someone may have the answer. Am Confused with trying to work out how to do some basic prep given I’m clearly far behind most on here.

Loads of good info on these threads though thank you and apologies if p3 question has been asked before, I missed one of the threads as they’re moving so fast...

EliK · 24/02/2020 22:51

I went for Asda's own UHT milk, has good reviews. Also have some oat milk in the fridge dated until July.

HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 22:51

FFP3 is the UK equivalent to N95

TheGirlFromStoryville · 24/02/2020 22:58

Regards milk, evaporated milk can be diluted with water to make drinking milk. I have no idea what it tastes like but something to bear in mind.

Trainseat · 24/02/2020 22:59

My first post on these threads :-) I am in the same situation as @Plantherd (posted 1647 today) Just wondering if its OK to store food items in the attic? Currently have tins or glass on shelves and anything plastic or cardboard stored in plastic tubs with lids

I have put shelving in the loft and am storing plenty of food/water up there.

What are people's thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance Smile

Catmaiden · 24/02/2020 23:00

Useful link for fruit, veg storage here

www.gardenorganic.org.uk/harvesting-and-storage

Eggs store better kept either in, or out of the fridge. Dont put them in, then out, then in. Also if they are from your own hens, dont wash any dirt/droppings of them until just before you crack them for use, as washing can breach the anti bacterial natural protection from the shell.

Apples, onions, potatoes store for a long time if they are stored cool, dark and ideally single layer not touching, apple boxes with apple shaped dimpled card inserts are (unsurprisingly !) the best storage system (get the same type of boxes, as they will stack, to save space )

Potatoes MUST be kept dark, or toxic alkaloids develop from the light (greening)

(I have a smallholding and we grow and store a lot of veg over winter)

Catmaiden · 24/02/2020 23:02

Loft, depends on temperature fluctuations and if vermin proof. Ours is a little bit too warm even in winter for veg, but is ok for dried goods in sealed boxes and tinned stuff.

Be carecul not to overload the floor or joists though!

Trainseat · 24/02/2020 23:05

@catmaiden probably reached capacity now up there...will begin hiding/storing under beds, in wardrobes and between the walls now Grin
Thanks

247SylviaPlath · 24/02/2020 23:08

@HasaDigaEebowai Flowers thank you!

My husband thinks I’m bonkers but I had swine flu and have had pneumonia twice, so am now prone to respiratory/chest infections. I work for the NHS and preparations in terms of emergency response are starting to ramp up so I am reasoning if I prepare for any potential quarantine period then we won’t be caught out, and if it doesn’t happen we’ll have lower food bills for a few weeks using it all up.

This thread has been so useful, thanks to all who have posted advice so far.

Fettuccinecarbonara · 24/02/2020 23:09

If you wear face masks, how often should they be changed?

Can I, for example, hang mine at the end of my bed, ready to put on next morning?

If not, we (large family) are going to get through a shitload of them.

Catmaiden · 24/02/2020 23:10

@Trainseat
Under the kick boards of the kitchen units is a useful place for tinned stuff!

NannyGoatC · 24/02/2020 23:14

I went for the Waitrose Essentials long life, will try in morning and give my verdict.

Have been reading these threads on and off for a while, been away for the weekend, and have only just caught up. Thank you everyone that has contributed.

My DH had cancer which spread to lungs, and is on an immunotherapy trial which he has every 2 weeks (so obvs very worried).. His last appointment, there was a notice on reception listing symptoms to report - cough, temp, shortness of breath, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing or achy joints. Happy to be corrected, but I have only ever seen the first 3 started as symptoms.

SleepWarrior · 24/02/2020 23:15

Another food idea - the beetroot that comes in little vacuum sealed packets. It lasts ages in the fridge unopened.

Keep reminding myself not to feel silly as the more food we buy now, while supply chains can still replenish easily, the more to go round for all the last minute people should quarantine hit!

I bought some extra tough nitrile gloves today... and then left them in the trolley Sad The shop were very rude when I phoned back to see if they had been picked up.

wellididntseethatcoming · 24/02/2020 23:15

Thanks for the updated thread

MagnificentDelurker · 24/02/2020 23:20

Hi

Thanks for the thread. I am mostly a lurker but just wanted to add that the Swine Flu’s effect was a lot worse than originally thought. The research has shown that the excess deaths from swine flu is hundreds of thousands mostly in Africa and Asia. These are not confirmed deaths but experts have agreed estimated the number around 285000. Even though they cannot confirm each case they can study expected mortality and significant deviation from expected numbers usually have an obvious cause.

wherearemychickens · 24/02/2020 23:22

I would be wary of storing in the loft unless you can make it really vermin proof. We only have toilet roll up there. I guess tins might be okay.

NutellaQuest · 24/02/2020 23:38

WineCakeBrewGin All prepped out for mo! Thanks for all the helpful info.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 23:43

Thought this was interesting

New study of 52 #COVID19 patients admitted to ICU. Key points:
Mean age 59 years, 67% male;
40% had underlying disease;
61% died within 28 days;
Most had organ damage;
71% required mechanical ventilation - 81% of these died;
Only 4% were smokers.
t.co/CgvVeIGOAr

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