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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:15

Just don't want people to feel like I'm spamming 😂

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:17

I'm also happy with the updates on here. Do let yourself have a break though ofwarren or you'll end up getting through the pandemic but with severe RSI from Twitter refreshing!

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:18

I'm not going to be online that much tomorrow but will pop on now and then to catch up and see if a new thread is needed because this one has moved rather quickly!

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ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:18

Well well well
2 MORE cases in the Tenerife hotel!
Let's hope it's not like the Diamond Princess!

Dos nuevos positivos por coronavirus entre los italianos del hotel de Adeje en Tenerife.

FelicityFebruary · 26/02/2020 00:19

The Diamond Princess # 2? I hope not.

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:21

I'd got rather stressed after watching the WHO conference today and the change in tone from the US on the CDC call to media which I also listened to so I shall be taking @OhYouBadBadKitten's advice and trying to chill out tomorrow.

Some yoga, meeting a friend's GSD puppy for an hour and the friend too but I only really care about the puppy and some crafting.

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KundaliniRising · 26/02/2020 00:22

ofwarren, your news flashes are very appreciated, please do not stop posting them here CakeWine

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:22

Well I guess they've all been snotting and mouth breathing all over the breakfast buffet every morning for a week Envy

I hate buffets

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BlackeyedSusan · 26/02/2020 00:24

Big night time pads. Lots
Paper pants
Front opening nightie
Breast pads
Infacol or similar
Infant thermometer
Sudocreme or other nappy cream
Bottles,tests,sterilising tablets/ fluid steriliser ( choose a multimethod steriliser one that works without electric)
Formula ( just in case breastfeeding needs supplement)
Pile cream/suppositories ( they can be huge)
Dove soap ( more delicate for sore undercarriage and piles)
Breast cream, the little buggers can chomp.
Breast shields
Paracetamol

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:24

Correction: I hate other people at buffets

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Catmaiden · 26/02/2020 00:24

Co op have own brand hand gel, 74% ethanol, 50 ml for £1 which is cheaper than Carex etc didn't see any larger bottles, though

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:25

Do you think they will start selling T-shirts:

"I went to Tenerife and all I got was this t-shirt and the Coronavirus?

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ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:26

I will be going to sleep soon and then on again in the morning till 12.
Won't be on properly till after 4 then as I will be at college (mature student)
It's addictive! I feel like I need to know so I can tell when it's getting close to the UK.

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 00:27

It is addictive...and well...better than cocaine or gambling I guess!

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ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:28

NEW: At least 50 people with coronavirus in Japan are seriously ill, including 36 people from the cruise ship - NHK

ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 26/02/2020 00:33

I like them here ofwarren as it's the only thread I'm following but if it's making people too anxious then I'm happy to move to the AIBU and follow there too.

Just had a little venture to AIBU and see someone telling a woman considering keeping children off school where students and teachers have been told to self isolate the famous "it's just a flu" so I came off.

BlackeyedSusan · 26/02/2020 00:36

Mojo, your buffet post needs a health warning.

#ofwarren updates are good.

Tinnednut · 26/02/2020 00:37

I use Tesco and Sainsburys both have always helped.

@AmelieTaylor good point my DD could be a danger to her. At the very least I will give her my number and maybe we can have regular natters over the garden fence.

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:44

The front page of tomorrow’s Daily Telegraph: ‘Mass testing to uncover UK spread of coronavirus’ #TomorrowsPapersToday t.co/sbqcH3f09o

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:54

NEW: Cayman Islands government says it is denying entry to the Meraviglia cruise ship because 2 of its crew members aren't well. Jamaica also denied entry. t.co/YABjOLCju7

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 00:58

South Korea reports 169 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 1,146 t.co/eUoE2bjB9j

SleepWarrior · 26/02/2020 01:19

Oh gosh, not another cruise ship Sad

What's the lessons learned? I'm really not sure. Evacuate and repatriate asap but into v strict quarantine conditions? It's spreads so quickly through the ships, they are like sitting ducks.

Legoandloldolls · 26/02/2020 01:26

Anyone with young babies might want to invest in another cheap kettle unless they have ample pans to boil water on the stove.

The new mum.to be PP made me think about even when I was BF my baby, the kettle went poof! I was topping up with formula and the thought of just going two miles into town was hellish with a newborn. Plus I'm not sure where the make kettles?

As if Pg do seek out a few packs of paracetamol while you can. They are only safe painkiller to take without Dr ok when pg. Just in case panic buying sets in and they cant be found. I recall you can still take 2 four times a day but double check with your midwife. Also ask your midwife how and when you worry about you having a fever - what should you do? Ibuprofen should be avoided. I must admit I had a killer migraine and did very infrequent ibuprofen, but I was sick as a dog. So do double check. Getting a fever can up your BP which is to be avoided in pregnancy

Dennisreynoldsduster · 26/02/2020 03:04

Is it the original oatly barista milk that has a long shelf life does anyone know?

My preps are largely done now, I’m just topping up a few things.

I’m still undecided about masks. Have a ten pack of FFP3 disposables which won’t last very long with DH commuting although he could work from home. I’m wondering whether to get the proper reusable ones with filters, or at least one, but not sure if the money would be better used on additional stash top ups

planningaheadtoday · 26/02/2020 03:10

This might have already been posted.

It's guidance on reusing single use masks as safely as possible.

www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html

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