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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 19:28

Yeah, Friday should be fine. Say some people were found to be positive tomorrow, it'd take them two days to locate their arsehole from their elbow and do something about it.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:30

Yup. The best and quickest place to get information from. All verifyable sources though. Just ask if you want something confirmed.
I just copy and paste as it's easier, so end up with the hashtags

BridgeToTerabithia · 25/02/2020 19:32

I must say I am concerned about a family member going to France and Germany in two weeks.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 25/02/2020 19:33

Sorry but all the BREAKING and hashtags are making me anxious!

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 25/02/2020 19:34

Just following on from my last post re the influenza stats - here’s a screenshot where I’ve highlighted the relevant part. Do feel free to correct me if I’m reading it wrong though, I’m very very tired!

Prepping for a pandemic...6
ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:38

It would take me forever to amend every one of them. I really couldn't be bothered to do that to be honest. I spend far too much time looking for the info as it is. I just want to click and go.
It's two buttons if I just copy and paste

Effieray · 25/02/2020 19:38

Tesco app is working for me.. lots of delivery slots available over coming days. I had a massive Tesco delivery of food last night... and another one of medicine and hygiene supplies this evening and it was the same delivery guy! ☺️ Told him not to worry, I won’t be seeing him again tomorrow!

Effieray · 25/02/2020 19:41

On another note, I find it interesting what experts in virology have to say:

“With coronavirus now spreading through populations far from its origins in China, experts say it's become a matter of 'when' — not 'if' — the outbreak becomes a pandemic.

That means it's now time for us all to start preparing, according to University of Queensland virologist Ian Mackay.

"We need to be aware that we are probably heading for that pandemic even if the World Health Organisation doesn't want to call it that yet," Professor Mackay says.

"It's just a matter of time."

Source:
www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11998540

User1775564212 · 25/02/2020 19:45

Radio four today had the ex government health minister (I think), anyway someone pretty important, who said it was already a pandemic but the WHO won’t admit it because they don’t want to embarrass China!

preponderings · 25/02/2020 19:45

We need to be aware that we are probably heading for that pandemic even if the World Health Organisation doesn't want to call it that yet," Professor Mackay says.

"It's just a matter of time."

We could have told them that 🤣

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 19:48

Quick question

ITALY. With the enforced lock down, is the Govt paying wages (like China) or are people on their own?

Bouledeneige · 25/02/2020 19:48

But a pandemic just means its happening in more than one place at one time - which it is currently. It doesnt increase the virulence or risk of death.

dingit · 25/02/2020 19:49

Dh works for a major insurance company in city and has been told to bring his laptop home just in case. I've now got his go ahead to go shopping!
He said Italy has shaken them up a bit Shock
I'm now very scared

Seventyone72seventy3 · 25/02/2020 19:50

@amelietaylor It depends on what sort of contract you have. My work is shut this week and I am still going to be paid. I hope

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:51

2 new cases of #Coronavirus in #Italy in the last 35 mins.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 25/02/2020 19:52

I'm not being paid by the government though and will make up the hours later.

EliK · 25/02/2020 19:55

I wonder if we have undetected cases going around the UK and people just assume they have the cold/flu? I'm starting to think I'd actually prefer this to avoid the panic.
I feel like I'm coming down with a cold just now, I'm in Scotland with 0 confirmed cases so far.

BridgeToTerabithia · 25/02/2020 20:01

There is only me in my office, although the office is in a business centre. That said, I am able to do most things from home except the mail for clients - if it got really bad though I suppose we could put on a redirect from the office to home. I doubt my boss would agree though!

pemberlyshades · 25/02/2020 20:03

@ofwarren well now THAT was scary listening. You may have finally made my husband realise I'm not overreacting. Thank you.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 20:05

Breaking News: Erster bestätigter Coronavirus-Fall in Baden-Württemberg . t.co/bFeB2jVcIm
First German case

BridgeToTerabithia · 25/02/2020 20:07

@ofwarren I think it is the first in that area, but not Germany? The stats site says they already have 16?

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 20:09

Yes I think you are right. I got carried away 🙈 thank you

BlackeyedSusan · 25/02/2020 20:11

Germany have already had cases. 14/16 have recovered.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 20:21

Yeah I saw blackeyed sorry

ShanghaiDiva · 25/02/2020 20:25

I am sure China is already sufficiently embarrassed due to the initial cover up in Wuhan.

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