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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Legoandloldolls · 25/02/2020 18:54

I just heard the advice on the radio. Ten schools shut or told to self isolate after return from.Italy, but people should still travel there and self isolate on return IF they have symptoms? That makes zero sense. Why get these kids to isolate then 🤔 Its suggesting two things - go, risk infection then risk not going to work and getting paid for two weeks only if you get symptoms. Unless your a school kid in which case go in for two days, spread your germs then dont go in for two weeks regardless of symptoms. Did I heard that right?

This is about the economy and some no policy leadership. You do one or the other, not both.

bobbbbby · 25/02/2020 18:56

Reading Twitter seems that non-preppers are just today beginning to see the possible reality of what it will mean when it hits here. They're having their 'OMG' moments

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 18:56

URGENT; #ITALY— “Triage Tents” now set up in #Sicilia for patients who exhibit flu-like symptoms to avoid passage to the emergency room & is creating pressure-negative rooms. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 #DoingItRight!

(#COVID19, #ItalyCoronavirus, #coronavirus, #covid19italy)

ShanghaiDiva · 25/02/2020 18:59

@wheresmymojo
I can’t see anywhere getting to the Hubei mortality rates. Even in China, the province with the highest number of cases after Hubei is Guangdong with just over 1300 compared to 64000 in Hubei and I imagine health services in China are currently far more stretched than the NHS.

Snowdropdelight · 25/02/2020 18:59

Thanks for for the self isolation link.

I'd personally go further than those instructions but with dh I'd be sunk.

Wed have a chance with a separate en suite.

I guess China has been aggressive in its response, rugby tackling people to the ground so not surprising they have managed some level of containment.

The Unilever Italian man I'm confused by. He met colleagues from China, but Chinese man tested negative.
Could it have been on his clothes?
Could he have had it mildly, not noticed then recovered by the time he'd was tested?

It's air Bourne... Of course it could be a red herring but seems strange when there is a direct, China link there.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 25/02/2020 19:00

@AvocadoOwl stuff of nightmares for me too. A friend pointed out to me today, she would be happy to be separated and die alone if it gave her kids a chance. She’s had double pneumonia recently.

ShanghaiDiva · 25/02/2020 19:01

China also introduced an immediate ban on the trade in wild animals on Monday.

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 19:01

I can't get on to my Tesco online account to buy groceries, can anyone else?

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:04

NEW: Listen to today's briefing by the U.S. CDC., telling Americans to prepare for an outbreak of coronavirus t.co/HbWdp38JQQ

GorkyMcPorky · 25/02/2020 19:04

I can't get into the Tesco groceries app (or website). Wonder if the panic buying is kicking off? A member of staff in the local branch was twitchy, whispering to a colleague about overhearing customers mentioning 'it' before but could've been talking about our particularly shit weather.

GorkyMcPorky · 25/02/2020 19:05

@FourTeaFallOut X post.

fearnotsnot · 25/02/2020 19:06

I can't get onto the Tesco app either

ShanghaiDiva · 25/02/2020 19:06

China has been successful in containment, not by tackling people to the ground (although, that does make great tv, I guess) but by implementing tough controls on movement and by closing public areas.

MissPoldark · 25/02/2020 19:06

@Snowdropdelight yes I wondered the same re the Chinese colleague, that perhaps he’d had a mild case & was clear of it by the time he was tested, which I’m assuming wasn’t until the Unilever man had been ill for a while.

MissPoldark · 25/02/2020 19:07

& there is no antibody test yet, so you can’t find out retrospectively.

Cismyfatarse1 · 25/02/2020 19:12

Tesco app not working for me either.

fearnotsnot · 25/02/2020 19:12

Asda is working!

GorkyMcPorky · 25/02/2020 19:15

Tesco are saying there's a problem with the app but they're working on it.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 25/02/2020 19:16

I have an online shop coming and have a couple of hour to edit - bound to ha e forgotten something ..,, another one for Friday. Confidence in getting anything on Friday?

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:25

‘The hotel seems to be acting normally, except that we can’t go out,’ said a guest who is among those locked down at a hotel in the Canary Islands amid a coronavirus scare t.co/S0dXTY03Au t.co/r00Meigjua

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 25/02/2020 19:26

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-national-flu-reports-2019-to-2020-season

This ^ is an interesting site. Data on influenza hospitalisations, and a small bit on influenza related deaths. From what I could see on the first link, it looks like the UK has had around 80 influenza deaths since the start of January this year. If you look at the speed that Coronavirus infections and deaths are ramping up in countries like Iran and Italy, it could be easily comparable.

On the plus side though, from the stats on that website it looks like influenza A cases are gradually easing off.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 25/02/2020 19:27

@ofwarren
Why all the hashtags? Are these messages copied from twitter?

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 19:27

BREAKING: Algeria announces first case of #Coronavirus. The person is an #Italian tourist

katienana · 25/02/2020 19:27

Tesco app was glitchy a week or so ago, I got a text about a non existent delivery amongst other things. I dont think there will be any panic buying until we have a proper outbreak.

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