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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 14:11

Spanish hospitals begin to look for the coronavirus in patients admitted for pneumonia

China must wonder why it tanked its economy and bought everybody all this time when this stuff it only happening now.

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 14:12

I agree, slowing it down is definitely in our favour, our NHS will cope better when it’s not so full of people with the flu. Freeing up bed/staff/equipment. & reducing the chances of people getting both.

It has to be a good thing.

@Wheresthebeach I think she should have been kept home, but given she’s been to school already, I don’t suppose there’s much to be done now. Except impress on DD - no hugging/food sharing (including sweets/crisis from the same packet - with anyone!! I’ve sent in extra tuck money so DC (14) can buy things for her best friends, rather than share the same packets they all share/treat each other). and lots of hand washing/gelling. No sharing pens/pencils that type of thing unless they will sanitze properly afterwards (Clinell wipes) but preferably not to do it as well are all guilty of putting pens in our mouths!!

We are washing hands when we arrive at the piano teachers & using HG when we leave. Piano teacher has a lot of pupils & it’s even more for her sake as she is in her 70’s with serious underlying health issues - as is her DH.

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 14:14

@limberlost. How long has she been back?

bobbbbby · 25/02/2020 14:15

What time is the UK daily update?

lemonjumper · 25/02/2020 14:15

"UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

Today's figures will be published later this afternoon.

We are working hard to provide you with the latest information and will tweet this out as soon as possible.

This delay does not indicate a confirmation of any new cases."

twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1232305187731144708

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:15

Supposed to be 2pm

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 14:15

@limberlost or rather how long will she have been back for by the party?

limberlost · 25/02/2020 14:15

About a week.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:16

I HATE it when it's late...

teta · 25/02/2020 14:16

Dr John Campbell - latest post.
Some praise for the Chinese and some country by country analysis. It's worth watching.
Sorry I've tried to link but my WiFi is very dodgy today.
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ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:17

I wouldn't go until after 2 weeks limberlost

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 14:20

@FourTeaFallOut

China must wonder why it tanked its economy and bought everybody all this time when this stuff it only happening now

Abso-fucking-lutely

They gave the world a massive opportunity to isolate countries/continents and it was generally quite a fuck up.

Yes, lots of industries to consider etc BUT sod all use not closing boarders etc to ‘protect the economy’ if we are all locked down later anyway or worse still 🤬

Wheresthebeach · 25/02/2020 14:20

@AmelieTaylor - good advice. I've just texted her saying no hugging!

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 14:22

@limberlost

I wouldn’t go. I’d talk to her & explain why. A difficult conversation for sure, but needs must. Send a nice present and make a plan to celebrate later in the year.

CuriousCapricorn · 25/02/2020 14:22

I’ve been reading thread 5/6 and haven’t posted yet.

Just received this from my friend. Phoned them up and it’s true. Under 2 miles away from me.

Prepping for a pandemic...6
CuriousCapricorn · 25/02/2020 14:23

Sorry I’m not sure why it never showed first time.

Prepping for a pandemic...6
ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:23

NEW: Japanese woman who was allowed to leave Diamond Princess cruise ship after quarantine has tested positive for coronavirus - NHK t.co/eUoE2b20hL

MissPoldark · 25/02/2020 14:26

Are we also testing patients with pneumonia?

It baffles me why front line healthcare staff don’t always wear masks as a precaution, especially just at the moment. I’m sure there’s a good reason?

Delatron · 25/02/2020 14:28

I think as a country we aren’t taking it seriously enough and now we will start to see more and more cases.

TreesSandSea · 25/02/2020 14:28

I think that’s 4 or 5 days old CuriousCapricorn Tested negative, surgery now open again.

Skyejuly · 25/02/2020 14:30

It's almost certainly here in the uk now.

CuriousCapricorn · 25/02/2020 14:31

I’ve just phoned them and it’s not. This happened today. They’re getting a specialist company in for a deep clean as a precaution but are shut. I’m hoping it’s nothing.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:34

My 10 extra masks from Wicks came! Only took 3 days too.

TreesSandSea · 25/02/2020 14:34

Apologies Capricorn, I was looking at another Liverpool surgery!

Gosh it feels like things are suddenly moving fast.

PurpleCalm · 25/02/2020 14:37

My cupboards and freezer are full but what ideas are there for fridge items?

I've been stocking up on blocks of cheese, dairylea dunkers, babybels, cheestrings, spray cream, I always buy cravendale milk which has a longer date - currently mid March, butter.

My kids would miss things like sausage rolls, cold meat, yoghurts/chilled desserts, cucumber, snacky bits I suppose!

Does ready rolled pastry have a good date? I could easily make some cheese straws or even some jam tarts with spray cream!

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