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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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lemonjumper · 25/02/2020 13:30

Still 35 listed as serious/critical from the Diamond Princess though, so the percentage could go up.

Choux · 25/02/2020 13:30

The cruise ship cfr is 0.6% now but they have many still active cases. Until the rest of the cases are no longer positive we will not know the final fatality rate. People in China have been ill for a month before dying.

Has anyone heard about the Uber case in Lewisham. No update that they have recovered and been discharged that I have seen?

Duckyneedsaclean · 25/02/2020 13:30

Two schools in Cheshire are closed today after pupils came back from lombardy. Won't be long until schools are shut near me I reckon. frantically buys puzzles and craft shit

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 13:31

Bit of one were trying to be positive... that means there has been (so far) a 0% death rate on the cruise ship for people less than 80 years old. Don’t mean to disrespect over 80s btw would love to get there one day!

michaelbaubles · 25/02/2020 13:32

My local secondary school went on a ski trip to the same area as the school that has closed, returning on Sunday. One of the teachers on the trip is also the mum of a student in my DS's class. I don't know whether this is something to be concerned about or not! The school hasn't issued any sort of statement so I suppose nobody seems ill, and I don't think the ski resort is in the "lockdown" area, but it is north of Pisa, and they've not been back very long...it's hard to know where's the balance between laid-back/not concerned but vigilant/right to be concerned/panicking.

EliK · 25/02/2020 13:35

Just catching up with some YouTube videos. Good to see the Abels doing well.

teta · 25/02/2020 13:35

@plantpotpot the death rate cannot be ascertained yet. This is a long tail virus as it's being called. Many people are well for the first two weeks with no symptoms . Many can have it incubating for 2 weeks or more and have no symptoms. The death rate can only be worked out afterwards when everyone has recovered or not. That will possibly be a couple of months or more if some individuals have longer incubation periods. China is reporting that many are in hospital for a month or so. Plus there are reports of patients recovering and then retesting positive.

TreesSandSea · 25/02/2020 13:40

I’m going to need to make some decisions soon. I’m immune suppressed, my DC go to a local rural primary but lots of links to an area about 30 mins away where a school has been closed because of flu- like symptoms.
I can home Ed. Do I pull them out now? Do I wait? Feels like by the time we know it’s here it is too late ...

TreesSandSea · 25/02/2020 13:42

And on top of it all I have a dry cough 😷

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 13:43

I suppose I just think it’s a pandemic now and there’s no point in trying to contain it anymore. And with that being said we can only hope for a very very low death percentage. Forget self quarantine - that ship has sailed (imo). I appreciate the time delay with fatalities but I believe the cruise ship gives us all hope tbh

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:44

I'm in a similar situation Trees. I don't think it's time yet. When we start getting cases here I won't hesitate.

TreesSandSea · 25/02/2020 13:47

Yes, maybe that’s my cue too. It’s knowing that there’s asymptomatic spread that is doing me in. I also have a work trip next week - I don’t feel I can cancel unless something significant changes - but I don’t want to bring it back here (assuming I haven’t already) Hmm

Wheresthebeach · 25/02/2020 13:47

Been lurking on this thread...planning on doing an order tonight.

DD's best friend spent Half Term skiing in Italy. Am freaking that she ought to self isolate. DD is asthmatic and gets everything going.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:48

BREAKING: #ITALY— first case of #coronavirus in #Liguria is a 72 year old lady who was staying in a hotel in #Alassio . Fortunately, she is in good condition.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/02/2020 13:49

I see others have dealt with not being able to extrapolate cfr from the number of deaths on the DP.

Twixes · 25/02/2020 13:50

I've done some prep already but I don't want to go overboard.

I've a tesco shopping basket on the go and when I get paid on Thursday I'm placing the order. I'm keeping a close eye though, if there are any developments locally I'm placing the order immediately.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/02/2020 13:51

There is still a good reason for trying to contain it - the more we can slow it down, the less the strain on the health service AND the easier it is to pick cases up from the noise that is a lot of respiratory infections already circulating.

Balkinfly · 25/02/2020 13:56

Taken decision to collect DS from school as a precaution an wait and see if any cases from ski trip.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:57

Don't blame you balkinfly

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 13:58

Plus, seasonal flu is moving away from it's peak, each week it is contained is another week with more capacity and also, another week where we can test the usefulness of current medications that we have available.

limberlost · 25/02/2020 14:03

I'm due to take part in an activity with a friend who went to the Veneto area for a significant birthday. Should I go?

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 14:04

That’s true. I just think there’s a tipping point and we’re near it. A child comes back from a half term Italian ski trip and 10 kids take it home with them from school then their 20 mothers and fathers go out to work... I am genuinely not trying to be negative because I absolutely believe the death rate will turn out to be a very low percentage I just think once it’s out there it’s out there. Remember though - a virus doesn’t want it’s host to die - just to spread. (What a positive thought Grin)

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:04

Spanish hospitals begin to look for the coronavirus in patients admitted for pneumonia

The measure arises from the suspicion that the virus may have been circulating in Spain for several days without being detected.

elpais.com/sociedad/2020/02/25/actualidad/1582635556_000638.amp.html?ssm=TW_CM&__twitter_impression=true

MyPartInHistory · 25/02/2020 14:04

Agree that the further away we can get from flu season the better.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 14:06

How long ago we're they at the birthday?

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