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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:02

BREAKING: #OMAN reports 2 new cases of #Coronavirus

EliK · 25/02/2020 13:03

Microwave popcorn is a good one. I've got 2 boxes.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 25/02/2020 13:06

The latest UK govt advice includes advice to self isolate if you have symptoms and you've returned from (among others):

Northern Italy (defined by a line above, and not including, Pisa, Florence and Rimini)

But isn't there a confirmed case in Florence this morning?

I do wish they'd catch up a bit. It's very hard to trust their advice when you feel they're not entirely awake.

lemonjumper · 25/02/2020 13:08

One case is probably not enough to warrant an advisory though.

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 13:13

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles. A bit of lightheartedness is good 😊

I’m glad your DH is onboard now! Our loft is boarded - but it’s also full of —crap— important stuff. So not a lot of prepping space, but all of the loo rolls are up there (thank fuck as they take up loads of space).

@SharpieInThe. I buy popcorn kernels. The popping add to the fun!

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:14

URGENT: ANOTHER #IRAN Politican tests positive for #Coronavirus— Mahmoud Sadeghi, a member of the Parliament of Iran announced that he was tested positive for #CoVid19

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:16

How many loo rolls have you all got? I have 4 packs with 9 rolls each

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 13:17

reuters says Iranians worried that authorities could be underestimating the scale of outbreak.

Could be?!?!?! FMD.

Boris. WHO is Boris?

He sure knows how to go underground! Someone needs to open an envelope then he might turn up..flooding, global crisis, - nah....

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:18

I got 48 loo rolls 🙈😂

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:18

Yeah it's shocking that we haven't heard anything from our PM. He seems to have disappeared.

Skyejuly · 25/02/2020 13:19

I have about 70 lol rolls but I always have a bulk because we have 3 bathrooms on 3 floors and it was just a pain when they run out. Also 6 people.

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 13:20

So another person has died from the cruise ship. That’s 4 in total from 700 infected. They were all over 80. Isn’t that a death rate of about 0.0006?!

I think it’s a very good test ‘model’ and if say 15 people have died in a country, basically 1000’s are infected but basically have a bad cold and aren’t aware. The cruise ship is the ONLY environment where we have exact figures of infected vs dead

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:20

Maybe I should get another couple of packs. Yes where is boris?!

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:21

#Bahrain Ministry of Health: Number of #Coronavirus infections has increased to 17

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:22

I think 4 in 700 works out at 0.6% ?

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 13:24

Sorry - 0.006% death rate. Still not a lot

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:24

1 new case of #coronavirus in northern #Italy

Catmaiden · 25/02/2020 13:25

Yes. 0.6%

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:26

One in a thousand death rate works out at 0.1% I think that’s how it is quoted. So 4 in 700 is 0.6% (not entirely sure though)

ChipotleBlessing · 25/02/2020 13:26

The guy standing next to the clearly ill Iranian deputy health minister is the Iranian government spokesman. That’s like the equivalent of Dominic Cummings getting it here.

Plantpotpot · 25/02/2020 13:26

Yes you’re right - my bad maths!! Still ‘only’ 0.6 though? Isn’t that the same as flu?

Catmaiden · 25/02/2020 13:27

Well, 0.57%, more accurately

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:27

Which although sounds low is actually quite high for a virus

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 13:27

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-live-uk-italy-outbreak-travel-advice-symptoms-latest-today-a9356296.html

Coronavirus news – live: UK school closed after pupils display flu-like symptoms, as WHO warns outbreak ‘literally knocking at the door’ amid pandemic fears

Health chiefs’ warning follows researchers’ claim that port screening will only catch half of infected travellers

Zorona · 25/02/2020 13:28

Eek !

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